11-87 cycling issue

There's only one thing the 3" 11-87 gas system does, it vents off excess gas so you don't beat the action to hell when firing high pressure magnum loads. The only mechanical difference between an 1100 and 1187 is the gas system.
1oz at 1290fps? where did you get these numbers from?

Like I said it was designed to give the gun better reliabilty with a greater variety of loads but it was never designed to make the gun reliable with all of them. Lighter loads will operate the gun without a doubt but it will never be as reliable as when the heavier ones are used.

The actions of semi-automatic firearms are designed to operate at certain speeds. If you exceed those speeds reliabilty suffers. The same thing happens when those speeds become too slow. On gas operated guns that is where the self-adjusting gas systems comes into play...trying to keep the action speed in its optimal range. The problem with most semi-auto shotguns, when firing magnum loads, is that the gas systems can't bleed off enough gas fast enough to keep the action from exceeding the optimal operating speed. To help slove this problem and prevent premature wear and parts breakage the designers use a heavier recoil spring to assist in slowing/cushioning the rearward action travel. This directly interferes with light/low recoil load reliability. That is the case with most semi-auto shotguns that were designed for hunting. Target specific/oriented guns seldom see use of magnum loads (also why many only have a 2 3/4" chamber) so generally use a lighter recoil spring which ensures the action speeds stay in the "sweet spot" with the softer shooting/lighter recoiling target loads.

As for the loads I recommended for the 11-87...I got those from experience. That experience has also revealed that the Remington 1100/11-87/11-96, although great guns, have a very slow actions. For fast shooting I find myself waiting for the action to cycle before I can pull the trigger again. The same thing happens with the Beretta and Benelli guns. I don't have that problem with the Browning/Winchester siblings...but they must be kept ultra clean to maintain reliabilty!
 
My 1187 experience has been no problems with 7/8oz loads and no probs in my 1100 sporting either, maybe I got lucky with springs.
How fast are you shooting? or what is requiring you to shoot so fast that you have to wait for the action? Its certainly not any of the clay target games I've shot, I've seen plenty of Beretta and Benelli guns used and none of the users appear to be waiting for the action.
My 1187 is faster than my 1100, but the 1100 is not so slow that I have to wait for it.
 
...How fast are you shooting? or what is requiring you to shoot so fast that you have to wait for the action? Its certainly not any of the clay target games I've shot, I've seen plenty of Beretta and Benelli guns used and none of the users appear to be waiting for the action.
My 1187 is faster than my 1100, but the 1100 is not so slow that I have to wait for it.

Pretty much everything that may require more than one shot, be it clays, birds or coyotes. Believe it or not I can also shoot my Remington 870 and Winchester 1300 faster than most can shoot their semi-autos. With both my pumps or semis, I have on multiple occasions been able fire my 3 shots and then reloaded and fire 2 more at individual/singled out (no "flock" shooting) geese from the same incoming decoyed flock to wind up with my 5 limit bag.

The 11-87 is a great gun...no argument from me there...it's simply my opinion and been my experience that they are far more reliable with heavier loads than with lighter ones.

Here's an interesting article. http://www.multigunmedia.com/speed-shotguning.pdf Right around the same time I was "out-running" most semi-autos, this guy had the same issues. The only difference is that he had the equipment to prove it was possible! Also nice to see proof that the Benelli shotguns aren't as quick as they are marketed to be!!! LOL!
 
Friend of mine shoots my super black eagle so fast he can make 3 shots sound like one(cheap, light target loads)...he did it the day i bought it cause it was used and i asked him to see if he could make it fail to cycle. how fast do you need it to shoot?
 
Pretty much everything that may require more than one shot, be it clays, birds or coyotes. Believe it or not I can also shoot my Remington 870 and Winchester 1300 faster than most can shoot their semi-autos. With both my pumps or semis, I have on multiple occasions been able fire my 3 shots and then reloaded and fire 2 more at individual/singled out (no "flock" shooting) geese from the same incoming decoyed flock to wind up with my 5 limit bag.

The 11-87 is a great gun...no argument from me there...it's simply my opinion and been my experience that they are far more reliable with heavier loads than with lighter ones.

Here's an interesting article. http://www.multigunmedia.com/speed-shotguning.pdf Right around the same time I was "out-running" most semi-autos, this guy had the same issues. The only difference is that he had the equipment to prove it was possible! Also nice to see proof that the Benelli shotguns aren't as quick as they are marketed to be!!! LOL!

Interesting article, if I thought I could shoot that fast and be accurate, I'd be going for a browning or win.
 
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