110 volt lathe

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I'm looking at a 13"X 40" Taiwanese lathe and it's 3HP , but only 110Volts...I expected it to be a 220V single phase. I'm not an electrician or even an obstetrician:D ...but how would this work compared to a 220V 1 phase..or, is this even an issue?
 
The biggest problem that I see is your supply conductors will have to be much larger using the 110 volt single phase. Your amperage total will be the same but since it is divided equally between the two 110 volt legs of the 220 volt single phase, smaller conductors could be used. With the 110 volt the one conductor must carry the whole load and the neutral must return it to the source. Are you sure this is not a 3/4 horse motor? 3 horse single phase motors are not very common especially 110 volt.
 
I think Gerald may be on to something here, 3hp is huge for 110 volt. Not saying it don't exist, but certainly worth further investigating. As other mentioned far more electrical draw, but it's not like you are running constantly. Some of the electric motors from far away are both 100 and 220 depending on how you wire them to the source, if this is the case I would suggest having it wired for 220 as the start up will be far easier on your wiring and other things plugged in as well
 
Rembo,
Most are 110/220 volt. I have, at different times, run my lathe both ways. I'm presently running it on 220. I honestly noticed no real difference in performance in either case. Regards, Bill
 
Would you actually be able to run a 3 hp motor on a 15 amp/110 volt circuit? Most home circuits are limited to 15 amps. Start up would draw considerable amps and unless you do some heavy metal removal, the start up would be the biggest draw. 3 hp/110v does sound very unusual.

Leeper: What max. amp. circuit did you run your lathe on when you used 110 volt? What hp of drive motor?
 
If I remember my maths correctly, one horsepower is like 800 watts *, at 110 volts 800 watts is 7.27 amps, at 115 volts it's 6.96 amps so 3 hp is 21 or 22 amps. and at 220/230 volts 3 hp is just 11 amps.

I think the actual fig is 780 watts, I'm allowing for a bit of inefficency and a fudge factor.
 
Ripstop said:
Most home circuits are limited to 15 amps.

15 amps is the lowest amps in a house. The are numerous circuits that are higher i.e. heating, range, dryer, etc

The wire size must be compatible with the breaker size. There are recepticles available for different amps. So if the math is corrert, a 3 HP motor would require a 30 amp breaker and #10 wire to a 30 amp recep.
 
A general rule of thumb is about 6 amps per horse. This would put it above the 15 amps normally available on a standard circuit. What kind of plug end does the cord have? If it is a standard plug it should be ok to run on a regular plug in. The HP rating may be exagerated. The Taiwanese can be as honest as a liberal. You will want to run a cct with just the lathe on it for safety and probably a second line next to the lathe for lights and anything else you may use with the lathe. You may have to use a special breaker like they use for A/C. Was this lathe meant for the north american market? Parts of Asia have some really weird voltages and phases compared to us. Good Luck
 
Most asian motors are massivly over rated as far as H.P. goes, so are a lot of hand held power tools. There are lots of 3 hp routers forsale that have 120 volt 15 amp cord ends.

In the case of your lathe, it will have both start and run capacitors to help the motor simulate a 3hp motor for short time spans. The capacitors or the motor itself will burn out if subjected to such loads, asuuming you don't have a proper motor starter equipped with overload heaters.

Bill there should not be any difference in performance in your lathe, you are still putting in the same amount of energy to the motor(voltamps). WHen you change the motor connections from 120 to 240 single phase, and apply 240 volts power, the current (amps) drops to half of what it was on 120 volts.

A single phase capacitor start/run motor rated at 3 hp will not run a constant 3 hp load, unless it is rated for continuose duty. All asian motors are vastly overated, even there 3 phase ones.

A continuose duty, 3 hp single phase, that will actually put out 3hp, will draw around 21 amps on 120 volts at full load. 240 volts the current will be half of that ,or around 11 amps. The amperage draw at start up will be much higher for each.

These days with relativly cheap frequency drives available that will also create 3 phase power output out of single phase power input, it is much better to equip your tools with 3 phase motors.But this is a whole different subject.
 
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SIGP2101 said:
Just a question. How do you get 220 V into your house?

In BC, the power coming from the street to the house is at 220 V. It's needed to run the range, dryer, heat, hot water and maybe lathes.

If there's roon in the service panel for more breakers it's not a big deal to run 220 V to a receptacle. A 3-wire cable is required - black and red are at 110V each and white is neutral. The breaker capacity must be compatible with the wire gauge. eg. if you're using a 40 amp breaker you'll need to use a #8 copper wire.
 
220 here as well. you just need a paired set of breakers installed properly into the breaker box and a 3 wire cable (4 if you include the ground wire) that is heavy enough for the load and breaker.
 
Rembo I have a taiwan made 12x36 it is a 2 1/2 hp I think and runs on 220 I think arround 12 amps a lot of machines have advertized as 3hp 4hp etc a lot of this is more of a model than actual hp .
If you know what amperage @ 110 volts it draws you can determine actual hp example my table saw motor 16.8 amps @ 110 volts is 1 1/2 hp .
I think that lathe would not have a large motor if it runs on only 110 volts.
I know a guy who bought one similar to the one you describe it runs on 110 but not sure if it is taiwan or china it works well an is accurate so he tells me but he claims it does not take much of a bite compared to the one I have I seen it it is a very nice machine but the motor is quite small on it .
KBC has the taiwanese lathes the gear head ones that is one I would like to have and they run on 220.
happy shopping
 
Ripstop,
When I was running it on 110, I used a 20 amp breaker and no.12 wire. This time, I used a 15 amp 220 curcuit and, again, no.12 wire. This motor claims to be 2 1/2 horse BTW.
 
Just for clarification, 220/240 volts only require two (2) wires, typically black and red.
You only need to include a while (neutral) wire if you also plan to run 110/120 volts in the same curcuit. EG your dryer and stove both take 3 wire, because the lights and timers run on 110 volts, your electric water heater or baseboard heaters only use 240 volt, so there's nothing to hook the white to.
 
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