12:00 Weapon Light Nirvana

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After seeing a disconcerting number of light ND’s with the exposed toggle switches of various X200/X300/TLR-1, etc on a recent night shoot, I started looking for a more foolproof setup. I think I’ve found it:

Surefire M600C Scout Light with the 200 lumen head off of a Surefire LX2, using the push-button end cap.

Here are a few pics of the Surefire M600C/LX2 Scout Light mounted at 12:00 on a DD RIS II FSB on one of my Colt LE6920's:

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The X300 has really popularized the 12:00 flashlight position, but I’ve grown to prefer the Scout Light mounted at 12:00 over the X300. At first I tried it with a tape switch, but I REALLY hate tape switches, so then I tried it with the supplied tail cap, and found it to be the best of the bunch. You do need a little room between the FSB and the tail cap for your thumb - there’s plenty of room on the RIS II (unless you have thumbs like a Gorilla), and if you have a continuous top rail on an 11"/12"/13" then the sky’s the limit.

You’ll need to keep the stock mount however - when I finally got my mitts on my M600C I immediately put on a Larue throw lever and then found to my dismay that it puts the light too high and projects above the front sight blade, ruling out iron sights - back to square one.

The M600C has the following advantages over the X300 when run at the 12:00 position:

1. NO light ND's. The switch is very well protected - the only time this light is coming on is when YOU want it to come on. The switch is still very easy to access, and like the X300, is totally ambidextrous. Some have opined that the X300 needs a lock-out because of this, but with the well protected push button, I really can’t foresee a need for a lockout on the Scout - unless one is running a tape switch of course.
2.better light throw. Even with the supplied 120 lumen lamp, although it's only rated 10 lumens higher, the Scout seems to “throw” much better than the X300 - now add the 200 lumen head off of the LX2, and it puts it into a whole ‘nuther class.
3. don't have to remove the whole light from the rifle to replace batteries, just screw the front end off.
4. steel mount, not plastic.
5. doesn't get in the way of the ATILLA 200 IR laser/illuminator (or any other brand IR laser/illuminator I suspect - perhaps others could chime in here) as much as the X300 does. It does still give a bit of a reflection off of the flashlight head - jury’s still out on this one.

Although an expensive end product, this combo provides the highest performance to weight ratio of any weapons light that I’ve yet to use.


IMO it's the way to go for a NON-SBR application, ie. 16" or longer barrel, as the flashlight head will be way out in front of the muzzle of a 10.5", etc.
 
Wait this was to decrease light ND's? Wouldn't keeping your thumb off the switch have the same effect?



You've missed the point - the X200/X300/TLR-1, etc, all have small "wings" for lack of a better term, that act as switches. These wings are exposed to clothing, gear, brush, etc depending upon where the muzzle of the weapon is at the time. The ND's I witnessed were mostly during transitions when the primary was hanging either in front or to the side, and most likely either snagged on pants legs or was bumped by legs, etc.

The thumb is only on the switch when you want the light on - I put the top view photo in because when you try to explain it to people without the photo, many don't believe that there is enough clearance for your thumb.
 
How does the balance work - there seems to be a lot of weight at the nose.

I still have not installed my RIS2 yet ( because I don't have an upper to install it! )
 
How does the balance work - there seems to be a lot of weight at the nose.

I still have not installed my RIS2 yet ( because I don't have an upper to install it! )

The balance is fine - the Scout is very light. It's much better than my M910 or XM962M etc. It's no different as far a weight goes than an X300, but the performance is MUCH better.
 
I give it 50-100 rounds before the front of your light is covered in burnt powder and wont light a hookers way out of a closet.
 
I have been running a light in the position for years - no problem. As long as the light is behind the first opening of the muzzle.

Nice AAC Blackout!
 
You've missed the point - the X200/X300/TLR-1, etc, all have small "wings" for lack of a better term, that act as switches. These wings are exposed to clothing, gear, brush, etc depending upon where the muzzle of the weapon is at the time. The ND's I witnessed were mostly during transitions when the primary was hanging either in front or to the side, and most likely either snagged on pants legs or was bumped by legs, etc.

The thumb is only on the switch when you want the light on - I put the top view photo in because when you try to explain it to people without the photo, many don't believe that there is enough clearance for your thumb.

Oooooooooooooooooohhhhh, I thought you meant by like just mounting the scout at the 9 position! :redface:Whooops.
 
So you shoot a lot at the range after dark?

Every chance I get.

Sounds kinda like the proverbial "you-know-what" kinda question given your background - at least that's the time that "most" members should be practicing, given the fact of what happens more often after dark than before.... sadly it's the exception rather than the norm.

When's the last time you did a night qually since leaving the egg?
 
I give it 50-100 rounds before the front of your light is covered in burnt powder and wont light a hookers way out of a closet.

I was wondering about that myself, but I tend to keep an open mind and see for myself instead of go off of what others think may happen - with just over 300 through it the other day, there was not that much powder residue - not enough to degrade output in any practical sense - and way less than what you get for instance with an X300 on a pistol.
 
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