Been screwing around with 3/4 oz #8 lead loads with light mod and mod chokes in these three gauges and am shocked at how well they have performed on the patterning board Anyone else out there done the same ? All three gauges perform well with some choke My Le Fever 20 nitro mod and full choked patterns like a 16 yard trap load at 40 yards .
12 16 qnd 20 guage with 3/4 oz loads
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Ive played with the 12 in light loads. Even down to 1/2oz. I dont load for 16 yet and dont plan on loading for 20 as i dont have the time. I just buy flats for skeet and waterfowl
The regulars at skeet mostly shoot 3/4oz in their 12s and 30s. Only one guy regularly shoots a 16ga and im quite sure but i think its a 3/4oz load as well. They preform very well. Other than less recoil youd never guess the targets were hit with such little shot compared to a 1 1/8oz load
Are you using 3/4oz wads in the 12ga or 7/8oz wads and cereal? Most guys use cerrioes or fruit loop knockoffs. For my 1/2oz loads i use captain crunch french toast. Mainly because i wanted the best smelling shells and my kid loves the cereal
The regulars at skeet mostly shoot 3/4oz in their 12s and 30s. Only one guy regularly shoots a 16ga and im quite sure but i think its a 3/4oz load as well. They preform very well. Other than less recoil youd never guess the targets were hit with such little shot compared to a 1 1/8oz load
Are you using 3/4oz wads in the 12ga or 7/8oz wads and cereal? Most guys use cerrioes or fruit loop knockoffs. For my 1/2oz loads i use captain crunch french toast. Mainly because i wanted the best smelling shells and my kid loves the cereal
Claybuster CB0175-12 no fillers Red Dot AA hull 1300 fps 6450psi . Superb load . The 16gauge Cheddite hull with Z16 wad +nitro card with Unique will cycle my 1100 and pattern well with mod choke. The 20 Fed hull CB1075-20 with Unique is stellar in my 86 year old nitro
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winchester12
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I'm the guy that shoots 3/4 oz 16 ga loads with BRYBENN. They perform great. With promo powder my 3/4 oz shells cycle both my 16 ga semi's. I get my best results in my favorite winchester model 12 16Ga.
Falconflyer
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Are you using hard shot because it will generally pattern better than soft shot, especially at longer ranges like 40 yards. My next though is what are you comparing your patterns too, again soft shot vs hard shot. Shotgun barrels, forcing cones and chokes also make a difference to patterns so there’s a lot of variables to be considered.
I once shot trap from the 27 yard line using 3/4 oz 12 guage loads and was surprised to shoot a very good score with solid hits. These wouldn’t be my first choice of handicap trap loads but they will work in a pinch. On these long shots the extra pellets in a 1 1/8 oz load will undoubtedly increase your chances of a broken target but for close range shooting such as what is found at the skeet range it won’t make as much difference.
I’ve broken lots of long range sporting clays targets with 3/4 oz loads in a 28 gauge, I always use lots of choke to keep the pattern as dense as possible.
I once shot trap from the 27 yard line using 3/4 oz 12 guage loads and was surprised to shoot a very good score with solid hits. These wouldn’t be my first choice of handicap trap loads but they will work in a pinch. On these long shots the extra pellets in a 1 1/8 oz load will undoubtedly increase your chances of a broken target but for close range shooting such as what is found at the skeet range it won’t make as much difference.
I’ve broken lots of long range sporting clays targets with 3/4 oz loads in a 28 gauge, I always use lots of choke to keep the pattern as dense as possible.
Lawrence hard shot #8 and Lawrence Copper #6 LM , Mod , L Full seem to round out the pattern all unaltered barrels
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LOL you want performance try one in a 28ga
Been there done that To easy I use 5/8oz loads in the 28. It is amazing how well the 3/4oz perform in the larger gauges with the proper components and data
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Falconflyer
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I think what your saying has been reflected in the shotgun cultures of the EU/UK vs USA or North America in general. Here the masses tend to think that bigger is better and faster is better still whereas over seas lighter loads have been the norm.
I think it's a generally accepted concept that the same size shot, in the same amount, accelerated at the same rate to the same speed, will pattern better out of a larger diameter barrel. ie 1 oz out of a 12 gauge will pattern better than 1 oz out of a 20, all else being equal. The inference is that the less dense mass of shot/interference from barrel walls, the better the pattern.
Seems obvious to me that this effect would hold true by reducing the shot load, rather than increasing the barrel diameter.
Seems obvious to me that this effect would hold true by reducing the shot load, rather than increasing the barrel diameter.
When I'm hunting, birds don't fall because I miss them, not because I didn't throw enough lead at them.
Accepted by who??
Shoot the same 3/4 oz load out of a 12, 20 and 28g with the same choke on paper and then tell me what you think
Holes in the 12ga a target can get through un less the choke is changed
Cheers
Well, I think, for example, it's also understood that a full choke 20 is NOT the same restriction as measured in thousandths of an inch, that a full choke 16 or 12 would be.
?? Not sure what is understood?? in your comments. You are saying the larger the barrel diameter the better the pattern period and no choke the best pattern
This is what you are saying and that is NOT the case with the 3/4 oz . In fact your comment all else being equal would be the same choke also would it not
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I think it's a generally accepted concept that the same size shot, in the same amount, accelerated at the same rate to the same speed, will pattern better out of a larger diameter barrel. ie 1 oz out of a 12 gauge will pattern better than 1 oz out of a 20, all else being equal. The inference is that the less dense mass of shot/interference from barrel walls, the better the pattern.
Don't assume anything shoot some paper with them all and let us know what you see
What I have seen in 3/4oz, is the 28ga patterns better than the 12ga . I firmly believe the shot stack height of the 28ga gives it a tighter pattern and a longer shot string
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Your getting less pellets in a 20 gauge over the 12 gauge. Which in the real world is a less dense pattern....Which means tighter choke then the 12 gauge to keep pattern density. 12 gauge your getting a wider pattern with less stringing. 20 gauge with the same load weight will string alot longer, .410 will do it also.
The thousands of 12 gauge shells Ive shot generally pattern alot better then thousands of 20 gauge Ive shot
The thousands of 12 gauge shells Ive shot generally pattern alot better then thousands of 20 gauge Ive shot
I didn't say that at all. I said nothing about no choke. And I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest with you. I've seen too many examples of it.
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Ok now it is a pissing contest is it because I don't agree with you or perhaps understand what you are trying to say. OH BOY
Shoot some paper with each in 3/4 oz as I have many times and then tell us what you think. Too many examples of internet shooters is what I see here and not enough hands on experience with what they crow about as being fact
Just wondering where one can buy factory 3/4 oz 12ga ammo since that larger diameter bore theory would make it a true winner
But hey to each their own and Enjoy your day
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Have never tried anything in the 28ga but 3/4 and 1 oz but sure shoot them against many a 12ga over the years
and they held their own and always produced my best scores. recoil played a major role there IMOCheers
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