12.5” ballistic advantage 308 modern series barrel stag 10?.
- Thread starter spyderchop
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Exactly.
WHY would you want to add another firearm to the confiscation list???
Keep the NR rifles NR. There's already enough firearms on the naughty list without willingly adding another.
Yeah, soo much evil already restricted.. let's keep our NRs out of the evil list!
Bazzoka_Joe
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that would make your lower restricted ....
Wont work that way. When you convert to restricted, the lower is restricted. Doesn’t matter if you put a longer barreled upper on it or not. Still restricted.
Completing a restricted receiver and turning it into a functioning restricted rifle is not the same as turning a non restricted receiver it into a restricted rifle. He wouldn't be able to use it until he had the reg cert for it.
What? Your post confuses me
If you have a currently NR stag 10 and build a short barrel upper and not attach it nothing changes. Once you swag the NR length upper with the R length then you have to call in to register the rifle as restricted
Is that incorrect?
That is correct. What would you plan on doing with a newly registered "restricted" firearm without the firearms certificate?
You cannot travel to the range without it.
From what I remember from a different thread, I think it was about the sumoi and swapping to the short barrel since it takes about 4.5 seconds. Someone called and asked the cfo about bringing the NR suomi to the range swap barrels, shoot, swap back to NR length and go home and they gave it the okay. But I might be mis-remembering
You're bang on.
An assembled short barreled upper is just parts. Parts are unregulated. There's nothing saying you can't own parts.
But what would be the point of having those parts if you don't intend to use them for something? And that right there is where the problem lies. I mean, you had to have bought them for something right?
If caught in posession of a short barreled upper and a compatible NR lower, even if they're not attached to each other, the simple fact that you are in possession of both can be used to lay charges on the grounds of intent. I bet a LEO having a bad day would see it this way as well and be more than willing to let you sort it out before a judge.
Now if you DO have an RPAL you're supposed to have 30 days to register the firearm as restricted. But the onus would be on you to prove that you had the intent to register it as restricted.
Now just imagine if all you have is a regular PAL. Your chances of proving that you had no intent to install that short barreled upper on that NR lower and create a firearm that you don't even have the appropriate class of license to possess would be near impossible. How do you plan on registering it as restricted if you don't even have a restricted license?
Obviously the courts would have to prove your intent without a question of doubt. But likewise you would have to prove that you didn't have intent, without a question of doubt.
But since you've already been caught in posession of assembled components that are capable of attaching together to create an unregistered restricted firearm, I would say you have a bigger uphill battle to prove intent than the court does.
LEO's are often more than willing to throw charges at you and let the courts sort them out. Even if in the end the charges don't stick you will still have been dragged through the wringer.
In the convoluted system that we call court, who wants to be the guy that tests this out? I know I don't.
Yeah thats true, better stay safe then sorry!
You can have a restricted length upper, without registering your lower as restricted. Just like you can own one WITHOUT A GUN LICENSE.
I have a 7.5" upper and 18.6" upper.
The 18.6" upper is what the gun was purchased and invoiced as non restricted.
The gun is transported with the 7.5" upper not installed.
When I get to the range I install the 7.5" upper, as shooting restricted firearms requires you to be at a range. However you do not need to phone the RCMP every time you switch you upper unless its going to be permanent, and then even then there is a grace peroid.
Source: I phoned the RCMP and asked if I have to register and unregistered the gun every time I swap uppers at the range, to which they replied no, because if I have 4-5 uppers im shooting that day.. it would be ridiculous.
Having that 7.5" upper in my house DOES NOT make my NR rifle suddenly restricted, Nor does it during transport.
If my friend with no gun license buys and assembles a 7.5" upper than fits on my NR lower, and we are in the same car together. Then what? We register it as a kid and raise it as a parents?? Our laws are ridiculous.
I have a 7.5" upper and 18.6" upper.
The 18.6" upper is what the gun was purchased and invoiced as non restricted.
The gun is transported with the 7.5" upper not installed.
When I get to the range I install the 7.5" upper, as shooting restricted firearms requires you to be at a range. However you do not need to phone the RCMP every time you switch you upper unless its going to be permanent, and then even then there is a grace peroid.
Source: I phoned the RCMP and asked if I have to register and unregistered the gun every time I swap uppers at the range, to which they replied no, because if I have 4-5 uppers im shooting that day.. it would be ridiculous.
Having that 7.5" upper in my house DOES NOT make my NR rifle suddenly restricted, Nor does it during transport.
If my friend with no gun license buys and assembles a 7.5" upper than fits on my NR lower, and we are in the same car together. Then what? We register it as a kid and raise it as a parents?? Our laws are ridiculous.
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During your phone conversation did you request that they send confirmation of their opinion to you in writing?
Yes you are correct that our laws are ridiculous but it's also correct that not everyone you talk to on the phone at the RCMP is correct in their opinion of said laws.
I would want their direction in writing and keep it with me just so I had a better chance at defending my actions from our ridiculous laws and the administrators of said laws that don't always understand them.
I've been dragged through the court system before (at the cost of almost 40K). I have no confidence in it.
Do as you please but be prepared.
Yes you are correct that our laws are ridiculous but it's also correct that not everyone you talk to on the phone at the RCMP is correct in their opinion of said laws.
I would want their direction in writing and keep it with me just so I had a better chance at defending my actions from our ridiculous laws and the administrators of said laws that don't always understand them.
I've been dragged through the court system before (at the cost of almost 40K). I have no confidence in it.
Do as you please but be prepared.
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