12 vs 20

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hi their ive got a 70's 870 pump in 12 gauge and im looking at a new shotgun. i was wondering what the best gauge and action would be for skeet rabbits and grouse i thought 20 gauge would be ok but does it have enough power and are shells cheaper??? would it be good for rabbits/skeet?



thanx!

matt
 
The 20 gauge is more than enough for rabbits and skeet. The 20 gauge shells aren't cheaper than the 12 but usually in the same price range.
 
The 12 gives you more load versatility and the option of hunting larger game. On the other hand, a 20 is handy and quite nice to shoot. The cost of shells is not really a factor since they're pretty close, but more loads are available for the 12. I'd say if you're only ever going to hunt the small game, then 20ga is a fine choice where 12 may be more than whats necessary.

IMHO 16 is the perfect all around guage, but its hard to find and shells are even more rare.
 
I agree 100% with all the above. I have a 16 guage Winchester 1897 that is my pride and joy. I try to shoot it sparingly and find myself hoarding ammunition for it. I've got lots of 12 guages (in all types) and find they all have their advantages and disadvantages for international trap, ATA, skeet, sporting clays, upland birds, waterfowl, or what have you.

But for what you describe - skeet, grouse, and small game - the 20 guage would be the best IMO. For my money, I'd go with a side-by-side with double triggers and mid-length barrels (28" or so). This is all, of course, assuming that you're talkin' ruffies and not sharptail. If you're after sharptail, you need to stick to 12 guage.

Either way, you can find cheap lead shells at Walmart in both 12 and 20. They're just fine for all the uses you've got planned at this point. I find shopping for the right gun is almost as much fun as taking them out in the field on a sunny day. So, enjoy your shopping experience and let us know what you end up fallin' for. Pics would be nice, too, if you get a chance.

SS
 
I love 12 Vs 20 debates... of course the only right answer is get both,
I love my 20 gauge Citori. 20 is more pleasant to shoot at the club as it has less recoil and after 200 rounds or so, you will appreciate that.
I do all of my upland and rabbit hunting with my 20 and some duck hunting with it. I occasionally use my 12 for Pheasants but it is mostly for waterfowl and sporting clays (higher pellet count)

If you can only have 1 gun then the 12 is the answer, the ammo is more readily available. Any good gun shop will have tons of 20 G but if you are relying on walmart or CT than you will be limited.
 
Mjcurry, I use my Citori 20ga for skeet and trap. I have no problems dusting the birds.

Duane
 
Matt - you may wish to check out the Baikal line of O/U or SxS in 20ga. Very good hunting firearms for the value......good metal/wood finish although you can't compare with Brownings etc. Excellent performance, nevertheless.

Regards,
 
Monty said:
Doesn't a 20 ga in 3" Magnum do anything a 16 ga in 2 3/4 can?

Sure does - at the business end. The difference is in the recoil. You're all but guaranteed that the 20 will be lighter than a 12 or 16. If all you had was a 20 ga., you could certainly find loads suitable for tougher prey like pheasants or sharptail. But, you'd take more of a kicking in the effort (for some, the reduced weight of gun and ammo combined would be worth the difference in pounding).

Since Matt already has a 12 ga., it makes good sense to add a little versatility to his gun cabinet. 16 guages are a great alternative, but as has been mentioned before, the ammunition tends to be much harder to find and more expensive when you can find it. Still, shot shells are such a small portion of the cost of hunting (not the same deal for skeet, though), the cost of ammo alone shouldn't be a major determining factor in any purchase decision. Availability is another story.

One of the reasons proponents of 16 ga always have a good case is because of the superior patterning of most rounds through that bore. Any discussion of advantages and disadvantages of various gauges becomes moot unless we assume that, whatever gun is selected, it will be patterned to learn how alternative loads from different suppliers perform. If you don't pattern your ammo with your guns, you really don't know what the shot stream looks like at any given distance.

BTW, I suggested Walmart only as a source of cheap shells for general purpose shooting, such as skeet, ruffies, and rabbits. The largest shot size they carry is 7 1/2, so you wouldn't get the sustained energy you need for longer shots or tougher game. Still, as others have pointed out, there's no shortage of other shot sizes and loads at decent prices.

SS
 
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I'd have to go with the majority here - for small game and grouse, 20g is near perfect. I used to use 12 for everything, then I picked up a Winchester 1300 Black Shadow in 20g - love it. :D
And there's quite a variety of loads out there too if you can find the right shop.
 
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