124 9mm with Titegroup

[4n2t0]

I am learning from reading this thread. I got a Dillon XL 650 at Xmas and I am asking myself the same questions.
I too have a Shawdow 2, Cam Pro 124gr RN, Titegroup powder. I am planning to go with 4.0gr. with the OAL of 1.25”. I am now going to the setup process of the the dies.

Question: does anyone using the Dillon 9mm resizing die? If yes, after resizing, the case looks like a Coke bottle shape?

After reading some forums, that seems normal with Dillon resizing die!

1) I think you meant 1.125 not 1.25, regardless this is how you should find your own OAL:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...g-question?p=14394562&viewfull=1#post14394562

2) I use Dillon dies and the coke bottle or wasp waist effect is completely normal and provides good tension (see picture below - NOT MY RELOADS). When you setup the Dillon sizing die simply raise the ram and screw the die until it touches the shellplate. Do not unscrew the die to allow space between the die and the shellplate. When setting up your dies there should be brass in every station, including the one your tightening, this will help centre your dies.

3) The last thing I'd like to mention is crimp, or lack thereof. There's no need to crimp 9mm, basically you're just taking out the flare/bell. Generally speaking your crimp measurement should fall somewhere between .376 - .379 for 9mm.

 

[stephtous]

Thanks for your answers. Yes, my mistake on the AOL, I meant 1.125. Just talked to 2 Dillon reseller and brought one resized cartridge to one and they said the waist shape or bottle shape was normal with Dillon 9mm die.

 

[Nikuser]

I'm new to shooting and reloading, but I also use Titegroup with Campro 124gr FCP RN.

I have, so far, loads based on Campro's data:
100 rounds @ 4.1gr
150 rounds @ 4.2gr
50 rounds @ 4.3gr

I now realize that the performance difference between 0.1gr of powder is negligible. At least in my hands. I was trying to follow the rules (as far as I was told) and stay in the prescribed load data. Today, I'm going to load 20x 3.5 and 30x 3.8gr (OAL: 1.125" +/- 0.005") and see what happens.

Here's a look at three of yesterdays targets.
Each have 50rounds through them at 10m.

4.1gr

4.2gr

4.3gr (I pulled a couple, but seems to have less consistency).

Of course, 4.1gr shot the smoothest. I will be loading for competitions in the spring so I may stick with 4.1gr for that. For now, I'm just putting holes in paper and learning the craft.

*** Range Update***
Went to the range this morning and loaded 50x @3.5gr and 50x @3.8gr (AOL 1.120").

3.5gr (no my best shooting...)

3.8gr

Everything cycled just fine. Ejection pattern on the 3.5gr was a little short, but no functional issues. I would say, I did have plenty of unburned powder or something blow back and deposit on my hands when using the 3.5gr load. Not sure what that was.

Theres a chance the lighter loads don't have enough pressure to properly seal in the chamber and avoid sending gases back through the chamber. Just a thought.

I'm gonna go with 4.1gr for now. Hope this wasn't too much info.

 

[odsixer]

4.1gr is my goto also with the 124grain campo

 

[silverfoxdj]

Anyone compare the same setup Campro 124 with Bullseye? From my previous shooting the load shows about the same results.

Any comments advantages disadvantages I have both powders but have not loaded and shot the Titegroup yet

 

[BillD]

Guns are funny things...In my experience, I have found the opposite to be true; 3.5gr won't cycle reliably in any of my guns.

With a few exceptions my experience has been similar to yours.

Same here, have only had Sigs in 9mm and 3.5 TG +124 Campro did not reliably cycle in any of them.

 

[4n2t0]

Anyone compare the same setup Campro 124 with Bullseye? From my previous shooting the load shows about the same results.

Any comments advantages disadvantages I have both powders but have not loaded and shot the Titegroup yet

I have several CamPro 124gr bullets loaded up with Bullseye but I don't chrono until at least late spring so I can't comment just yet. I have however shot both powders underneath a CamPro 147gr bullet and I can tell you that there wasn't any difference in performance. To be completely honest, other than cleanliness, I find very little difference in performance between any powder in 9mm (as long as it's an applicable powder) once you've dialed in a load. The one exception for me being WSF in 9mm. For reasons unknown to me it's extremely accurate so I use it to load 9mm to minor PF (4.0gr - 4.1gr underneath a CamPro 147gr = 132 PF out of a 4" barrel).

 

[jimbo14]

I figured I'd add to the misc bits of info in this thread.

Newbie guy here. Only reloaded about 1000 rounds. So don't ask me any detailed questions. lol!

Working with TG and Berry's 124gr RN and HBRN for my Shadow.

Tried the identical press setup with both bullets. COAL of 1.130"

Chrono'ed results with powder weighed on the GemPro-250 scale (0.02gr level of precision). Found the HBRN was a touch slower compared to RN. HBRN is thick plate compared to RN and longer, with the same overall weight.

I ran 5 round samples from 3.4gr to 3.8gr, with both styles of bullets.

Interestingly, the HBRN had more variance in velocity, compared to RN. Consequently, the 5-round average was a little lower. Approx 0.05gr of powder worth.

3.8gr RN

1031
1031
1049
1041
1030

3.8gr HBRN

1031
1010
1046
1034
1017

I found several examples of this type of variance, with the only exception when I was interrupted midway in my testing and the barrel cooled off a bit, giving me a low first round on my 3.5gr RN string.

Not sure on the reason for this higher variance in velocity, but looking for ideas. One of mine is the extra length and rigidity may vary the friction. Another idea is maybe a longer bullet is more sensitive to a jump to the rifling? I think I'll try loading some precise HBRN rounds and set the OAL to my specific barrel to reduce the jump. I don't know anything about this stuff, but I like learning. It's all fun to me.

 

[silverfoxdj]

I have several CamPro 124gr bullets loaded up with Bullseye but I don't chrono until at least late spring so I can't comment just yet. I have however shot both powders underneath a CamPro 147gr bullet and I can tell you that there wasn't any difference in performance. To be completely honest, other than cleanliness, I find very little difference in performance between any powder in 9mm (as long as it's an applicable powder) once you've dialed in a load. The one exception for me being WSF in 9mm. For reasons unknown to me it's extremely accurate so I use it to load 9mm to minor PF (4.0gr - 4.1gr underneath a CamPro 147gr = 132 PF out of a 4" barrel).

Thanks I assumed that would be the case but I have yet to try it myself with 124's