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hay guys, father in law gave me this thing. fires great but is missing the foregrip. has a little pin i gotta press when i release the barrel lock otherwise the barrels just fall off. wondering if anyone has any parts for these things? FIL looked all over for that foregrip and swears he had it but i've lost all hopes. i really like this thing for it's vintage and super long barrels and would like it to be complete if nothing else. if there is anyone that can help me out with this foregrip or point me in the right direction i'm all ears.

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gonna give that a go tomorrow i figure. just gonna wait for more replies here. my limited research tells me it's a trojan shotgun and was mad in 1913 going by serial number. i fired 2 3/4" shells out of it and got a PM from a member here on a better way to measure the chambers. measured them his way and they came out to 2.5". measured 3" my way :(. didn't blow up though :). first round through each barrel i had the shotgun secured to a bench whilst i pulled the triggers with a string LOL. was just a little concerned about it's age. did 5 through each barrel after that with no problems. i won't no mo though :D
 
i wonder if a guy could ream the chambers to be safely compatible with a 2 3/4" shell? i know this gun is not worth much as it sat in my FIL's basement for many many years. the barrels have pitting but i imagine that is not a big deal firing bird shot through it. i'd honestly like it to be something i can shoot with. sure if it was in very good condition i'd preserve it but i can't make it worth any less then it already is by shooting with it.
 
i'm curious what you guys think of this post i found on the internet. i measured the chambers in this gun with a 50 BMG snap cap which is the same diameter at the head as a 12g shell. i measured the chambers as 2 5/8's. shot another box of target loads through it today with no issues. am i getting to confident? would suck to have the thing blow up in my face! here's the post i found

This fear of shooting shells slightly longer than the gun's chamber is way over blown. I have three "modern" fired plastic nominally 2 3/4 inch 20-gauge hulls sitting on my desk -- compression formed Winchester AA, Remington Gun Club and and Active. All three have an actual fired length of 2 5/8 inch. I just went out to the garage and checked a pile of empties I policed up while out hunting, mostly 12- and 16-gauge all are 1/16 to 1/8 inch shorther than 2 3/4 inch. Even a Remington 20-gauge 3-inch Nitro Mag hull was only 2 7/8 inch.

Back in the day, several of our manufacturers (A.H. Fox Gun Co. and Parker Bros. that I am most familiar with) had a general policy of holding their chambers 1/8 inch shorter than the intended shell length. The belief being that the hull mouth extending a ways into the forcing cone provided a better gas seal and cushoned the shot charge, giving better patterns. The only two A.H. Fox Gun Co. catalogues, that I have seen, that state chamber lengths are the 1913 and 1914. They both state 12-gauge guns are regularly chambered for 2 3/4 - inch shells, 16-gauge 2 9/16 – inch shells and 20-gauge 2 1/2 - inch shells. That being said, virtually every 12-gauge Ansley H. Fox gun made in Philadelphia (other than the HE-Grade Super-Fox) that I've run a chamber gauge in shows about 2 5/8 - inch. The chambers of unmolested 16-gauge guns seem to run about 2 7/16 inch and 20-gauge guns a hair over 2 3/8 inch. A few graded guns were ordered with longer chambers. I have a 30-inch barrel 20-gauge AE-Grade that was produced in 1920 and it was ordered "chamber for 2 3/4 inch shell". The chambers are in fact 2 5/8 inch. In the 1930's there were a couple of articles in The American Rifleman (July 1936 and March 1938) by Arthur P. Curtis, on the virtue of short chambers. A series by Sherman Bell in The Double Gun Journal showed no significant increase in pressure from shooting shells in up to 1/4 inch short chambers.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with the length of the forcing cone as compared to the actual cartridge.
I know many of my hulls in my loaders will not load the same as some others unless I change the crimping stations a bit because of slight differences in length - the old HS and the newer series HS hulls are a good example.
A few if my hammer guns won't chamber some brands of shells as well, because of minor dimensional changes in the chambers.
I fixed this by shooting everything with 2 1/2" brass cases LOL!!
I don't think I would over think it too much as long as you are not getting excess recoil or ripping up the case mouths.
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
I think a lot of it has to do with the length of the forcing cone as compared to the actual cartridge.
I know many of my hulls in my loaders will not load the same as some others unless I change the crimping stations a bit because of slight differences in length - the old HS and the newer series HS hulls are a good example.
A few if my hammer guns won't chamber some brands of shells as well, because of minor dimensional changes in the chambers.
I fixed this by shooting everything with 2 1/2" brass cases LOL!!
I don't think I would over think it too much as long as you are not getting excess recoil or ripping up the case mouths.
Cat
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i'm gonna go back to the range tomorrow if it's nice out to shoot off another box. i will take some pics of the spent shells tomorrow if i remember. the way it looks is the shells are opening all the way. they actually seem to just open the the start of the taper going up to the bore. i assume this is what's called the cone.
 
went out and shot another 50 rounds through this thing today. really is incredible how far it will shoot shot. did a bunch of clay bird shooting and you don't even have to be fast LOL. take yer sweet ass time getting the site on the clay bird and boom you got it. would be a great prairie shotgun. i got a few pics of the way the 3/4" shells are opening. it appears that they open to where the cone of the chamber starts. in my own sense i would think that this is the perfect length shell for the gun.

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99% of the shells come out like that but the odd one does come out like this.

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we were at first concerned about the way the primers looked after being fired because they seemed the be coming out from over pressure but after comparing the shells to ones from other shotguns we decided it was normal. i am very happy with this thing and have found a foregrip for it at this point. only thing is the guy wants $150USD for it and i don't have that extra bit in the budget right now :( planning to snag it up as soon as i can though. one things for certain, this thing has one heck of a kick when firing both barrels at the same time :cool:

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