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Is it legal to purchase/own these in Canada?
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Mackay
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Who said anything about shooting animals? That cruel... lol
dave_t73 said:
The two legged variety who enter your home without invitation and intend to rob or harm you or your family...
AS stated...and as we have discussed to death in the past. It provides a less than lethal option.
Here is my idea. Don't get me wrong, having lived in the US and having enough training with firearms and experience, I would not think twice about dropping the hammer on someone who is uninvited and in my residence seeking to rob or harm my family or self....
But...having said that, and seeing we are living in Kanada, and the laws regarding shooting a human are somewhat hazy at best...You must think what will look best to the courts at my trial, because that is the reality.
If you used bean-bag or two for the initial shot, you are:
1. saving the ####-rat's life for a second and giving him a second chance where as normally, I would have killed him outright. Also, by telling him the next one is buck or a slug he may just give up the fight and leave and you are not charged with murder and have to prove yourself innocent and in a self defense situation.
2. If the idiot is stupid enough to keep on with his original plan, the next two are 00 or #1 Buck and the final two are slugs.
In your defense, it looks like you did what you could to avoid killing him, you used a less than lethal initial attack, even when DF was ok to use. Then he kept on coming so you finished him. Period. I am not a lawyer but I would think that would look better to the jury than you just outright shooting him where he stood being this is Kanada and her ####ed up gun laws...
A bean bag or rubber slug in the chamber followed by regular slugs is a good option for a camp gun. If Yogi shows up the bean bag should convince him to stay away from your site. If not, you've got the brenneke's as a followup argument.
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Oddbawl said:
I was thinking the same, maybe make the first two shots with bean bags and then warn him/her that the next ones are buckshot and slugs, that alone should make them think twice about the original plans.
REmember that bean bag rounds are "less lethal" only. If you hit someone in the body inside of 15 feet you can still penetrate and kill. Most come in different power levels.
PE90SHOOTER said:
Thats fine and dandy, the point is to a jury, you showed the intent not to kill on the first or second shot. Not your fault he moved towards you quicker than you could engage him...INTENT is the name of the game, if you are carrying a loaded firearm, you have intent to use it, whether or not you actually do, with a less than lethal load, you are showing intent not to have to kill, when by rights you are entitled to do so whist protecting yourself and family....
echo4lima said:
I disagree. A jury will see the use of a deadly weapon. The use of that conveys the motive to 'stop with all means necessary'. Intent means nothing when the means are deadly. In other words, a gun should only be fired when you're ready to kill, nothing less. You don't shoot a deadly weapon to wound whether its with less lethal ammo or not. And you'd better be cornered and surrounded with a gun in your face beofre you even try that.
I'm not saying I take this viewpoint, this is just how I think an average Canadian jury would react.
Well you are entitled to your opine....however, the average Canadian which is not too sure whether fellow Canadians should have guns, not too sure how the laws work, not too sure how to interpret the laws basically not well educated in the ways and means of DF would likely interpret the fact that the person shooting an intruder first with a less than lethal round before killing him with follow up shots, gave that person and 'extra chance' to think twice about continuing the assault and that the resulting death was not or can not be considered a 'murder' by the defender. I know that if I were to be pulling the trigger, I am shooting to kill, that is how I was trained and how I will react, I have no doubts about that.
Yes, that is true, but to an uneducated jury, it will appear less malicious than just shooting the guy outright. You will be charged whether you shoot him, stab him or beat him to death, the resulting charges will be the same.
