13 inch MSW IWI X95 Tavor now Prohibited

From IWI .... MSW is semi-only

- X95 assault rifle, standard configuration
- X95 CPRF assault rifle configuration with bayonet
- X95 MSW semi-automatic configuration
- X95 SMG submachine gun configuration
- X95S SMG submachine gun configuration with integral silencer

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And Fully Automatic is called out for applicable models only in the manual ....


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This was also my initial thoughts, folks here informed me that there is nothing "illegal" about purchasing and importing FA parts. While the firearm may be prohibited, nothing stopping anyone from purchasing parts. Myself, I'd be concerned about even conducting a web search for FA trigger pack for fear of black helicopters, but apparently they are available. I have no idea where aside from pointing to the states.

I thought that there was something in either the Firearms Act or Regulations regarding the importation of parts for prohibited firearms. Something along the lines of having to possess a registration certificate for the firearm that the parts are to be used in. This of course, only applies if the parts are intercepted by CBSA. But if they are, you can either produce a Registration Certificate for the relevant firearm, or expect possible interest by the local RCMP/NWEST for having attempted to import prohibited parts. I don't believe that there is/was any Canadian retail source for such parts. Again, I could admittedly be way off-base on this one, but it sure rings a bell. If accurate, this simply adds to the near-impossibility of Joe Shmoe accessing all the various factory parts necessary to convert an MSW to full-auto.
 
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From IWI .... MSW is semi-only

- X95 assault rifle, standard configuration
- X95 CPRF assault rifle configuration with bayonet
- X95 MSW semi-automatic configuration
- X95 SMG submachine gun configuration
- X95S SMG submachine gun configuration with integral silencer

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There is an error in the box describing the Selector Markings for the MSW. They are "S" and "R" (not "S" and "A"), but the intention of the text is clear that the MSW is semi-auto only. Good find!!
 
Why don't people focus their frustration on the institution(s) who "make" the laws.

Because that is worse than beating your head against a brick wall. Just try to have a positive change implemented to the Firearms Act (FA) or any other piece of legislation. The FA is deliberately vague, putting the onus on the Liberal/Progressive Courts to interpret and adjudicate. At the end of the day, that is most likely where this is going to end up if the Lab refuses to back down from their interpretation. That is why every piece of evidence in our favour such as the factory literature found by CODfan, is important.
 
The point here is that the little sheep will give them back, only why the govt keep treating us like kids its we let them, and we obey them, keep obeying the unjust and nonsense, undemocratic, unconstitutional laws that the govt keep pushing and shoving up on you
 
From IWI .... MSW is semi-only

- X95 assault rifle, standard configuration
- X95 CPRF assault rifle configuration with bayonet
- X95 MSW semi-automatic configuration
- X95 SMG submachine gun configuration
- X95S SMG submachine gun configuration with integral silencer

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And Fully Automatic is called out for applicable models only in the manual ....


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The typo in this chart probably forms the basis of their argument
 
The typo in this chart probably forms the basis of their argument

Makes sense with what the letter quotes:
"It was determined that these firearms registered as the Tavor X95 model were in fact the Tavor X95 MSW model.
The two models are different and technically distinct firearms. The Tavor X95 IWI US model (referred to above as the “Tavor X95”) is a
purpose-built semi-automatic firearm available in either non-restricted or restricted versions and manufactured in the United States by
IWI US. The Tavor X95 MSW model is a military surplus prohibited firearm imported from Israel and is a full-automatic firearm."
 
The problem with the MSW is that they are a full auto firearm with a little set screw to stop you from turning the selector to the third position.

I highlighted in bold the part that is not true from the factual and technical point of view. This rifle was purposely, at IWI factory, built as semi-auto. It does fire only semi-auto. It has factory markings denoting only two mode, safe and semi. These are technical facts. Rifle is advertise as semi by IWI. Legal definition of this firearm in Canada is under question. And there are different opinions about legal calssification, but technically it is semi-auto firearm, it is not automatic firearm and it was not modified from automatic firearm. Please stop confuse others. Modification to alter into automatic are definitely illegal so I don't want to comment on them here in this topic.
 
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Well I love your gun collections bartok but that was completely wrong.

Hasselwander's case when it got appealed to the Supreme of Canada defined capable as "being readily convertible" meaning that it doesn't have to be full auto at the time of examination but if it can be readily converted with relative ease. That it would be defined as an automatic firearm

https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/1007/index.do

"The word "capable" in para. (c) includes an aspect of potential capability for conversion and, given a reasonable interpretation, should be defined as meaning capable of conversion to an automatic weapon in a relatively short period of time with relative ease."

That doesn't look good.
 
That doesn't look good.

It is only relevant if the necessary parts to convert the rifle to automatic fire are available in the first instance, which they are NOT. Unless someone can show me where in Canada I can retail-purchase a full-auto Trigger Pack, Bolt Carrier and other assorted (and prohibited?) X95 parts necessary to convert the MSW to full-automatic, I will stand by my contention that such parts are NOT readily available to law-abiding Canadian firearms owners. If factory drop-in parts are not readily available to Canadian consumers, then they would have to be fabricated. That does not meet the definition of "being readily convertible". But that is just my logic (not a judge's), so take it for what it's worth, but that would be the basis of my argument against "readily convertible".

Notwithstanding the apparent ability of Canadian courts to rule in the absurd, the fact is that an object cannot possibly be something that it is not nor ever was. In the case of the MSW, they were NEVER full-auto firearms. As a result, they cannot possibly be "converted-automatic" firearms. They were manufactured semi-automatic from the factory, as indicated by the IWI factory literature. Yes, there is an obvious typo in the description of semi-auto Selector markings, but so what? The factory could easily clarify that mistake if contacted. The MSWs have been semi-automatic firearms from the outset, and nothing has been done to change that fact, notwithstanding the Lab's incorrect determination.
 
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The point here is that the little sheep will give them back, only why the govt keep treating us like kids its we let them, and we obey them, keep obeying the unjust and nonsense, undemocratic, unconstitutional laws that the govt keep pushing and shoving up on you

Unless you are currently single and de-homed with no personal possessions, they have you by the 'nads when it comes to a restricted firearm. They know that you have it and can screw with you in any variety of ways, from revoking your PAL/RPAL and seizing all of your firearms, to freezing your bank account. So under the circumstances, what does an evident rebel hero like Minilic suggest to keep the govt from pushing and shoving up on you?
 
I agree but we are living with a completely irrational government. Given the circumstances with everything at stake in the next election cons are going to do absolutely nothing to help legal firearms owners until they have power... IF WERE LUCKY
 
It is only relevant if the necessary parts to convert the rifle to automatic fire are available in the first instance, which they are NOT. Unless someone can show me where in Canada I can retail-purchase a full-auto Trigger Pack, Bolt Carrier and other assorted (and prohibited?) X95 parts necessary to convert the MSW to full-automatic, I will stand by my contention that such parts are NOT readily available to law-abiding Canadian firearms owners. If factory drop-in parts are not readily available to Canadian consumers, then they would have to be fabricated. That does not meet the definition of "being readily convertible". But that is just my logic (not a judge's), so take it for what it's worth, but that would be the basis of my argument against "readily convertible".

Notwithstanding the apparent ability of Canadian courts to rule in the absurd, the fact is that an object cannot possibly be something that it is not nor ever was. In the case of the MSW, they were NEVER full-auto firearms. As a result, they cannot possibly be "converted-automatic" firearms. They were manufactured semi-automatic from the factory, as indicated by the IWI factory literature. Yes, there is an obvious typo in the description of semi-auto Selector markings, but so what? The factory could easily clarify that mistake if contacted. The MSWs have been semi-automatic firearms from the outset, and nothing has been done to change that fact, notwithstanding the Lab's incorrect determination.

I am sorry to bring bad news to you, but.... While I still insist MSWs are de-facto and mechanically are semi-autos, this Hasselwander's case interpretation of "capable" is bad. When I learnt English meaning was "is able to do, perform as it is". But of course our Courts know better. Apparently it is "if you add something easily, then it's capable". Check your PM.
 
I submitted my “reference to an Ontario court of justice judge” paperwork today. Trust me when I say that I’m not looking to be the one to take this to court on behalf of the X95 community. I just know that this is my one option to circumvent the 30 day timeframe that was given by the RCMP. I really hope the dust settles in the meantime, at the very least I can request a disclosure and see what evidence the RCMP is providing and share it with the community. Otherwise, I know that I will be able to request a few adjournments before I ever have to even appear in a courtroom.

I just want to shout out to “Mark C” who seems very knowledgeable and rational in this matter. Thank you for you input and I look forward to any further information you have.

Once again here is the link for the form in Ontario:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iUV_oRvz_Qo2p0LrDfbXEKuqnSU5q47m/view?pli=1

I suggest that if you have received a “Revocation Letter” appeal it. From what I have gathered, until you responded with what your plans are (surrender, destroy, or appeal) you are a non-compliant firearms owner in the eyes of the RCMP.
 
I submitted my “reference to an Ontario court of justice judge” paperwork today. Trust me when I say that I’m not looking to be the one to take this to court on behalf of the X95 community. I just know that this is my one option to circumvent the 30 day timeframe that was given by the RCMP. I really hope the dust settles in the meantime, at the very least I can request a disclosure and see what evidence the RCMP is providing and share it with the community. Otherwise, I know that I will be able to request a few adjournments before I ever have to even appear in a courtroom.

I just want to shout out to “Mark C” who seems very knowledgeable and rational in this matter. Thank you for you input and I look forward to any further information you have.

Once again here is the link for the form in Ontario:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iUV_oRvz_Qo2p0LrDfbXEKuqnSU5q47m/view?pli=1

I suggest that if you have received a “Revocation Letter” appeal it. From what I have gathered, until you responded with what your plans are (surrender, destroy, or appeal) you are a non-compliant firearms owner in the eyes of the RCMP.
 
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I submitted my “reference to an Ontario court of justice judge” paperwork today. Trust me when I say that I’m not looking to be the one to take this to court on behalf of the X95 community. I just know that this is my one option to circumvent the 30 day timeframe that was given by the RCMP. I really hope the dust settles in the meantime, at the very least I can request a disclosure and see what evidence the RCMP is providing and share it with the community. Otherwise, I know that I will be able to request a few adjournments before I ever have to even appear in a courtroom.

I just want to shout out to “Mark C” who seems very knowledgeable and rational in this matter. Thank you for you input and I look forward to any further information you have.

Once again here is the link for the form in Ontario:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iUV...47m/view?pli=1

I suggest that if you have received a “Revocation Letter” appeal it. From what I have gathered, until you responded with what your plans are (surrender, destroy, or appeal) you are a non-compliant firearms owner in the eyes of the RCMP.
 
Request for informational assistance

Gentlemen who are affected by this ####storm. At this very moment of time I consider our chances to win and keep MSWs as insignificant, however.... It is just a one person opinion, it doesn't mean we are not going to do our best to fight it. New information is coming in pretty fast, and information changes a lot. We haven't heard orgs, I'm feeding information to helpful lawyers. We will see.
I'm looking for 2-4 ppl that are willing to send an email with specific request to provincial CFO and share some details from provided reply (nothing private) with me. It might help, it might not help, at this stage we're on the fishing trip for information.

So I need couple of ppl who has X95 MSW in restricted configuration registered to them.
And I need another couple of ppl who more or less recently (up to a year) converted X95 MSW into NR configuration and submitted request to reclassify it. It doesn't matter if you still have it or sold it. WHat matter is the fact you're were the owner who reclassified it.

Please PM me and I'll send you instruction, it's very easy and cost you nothing, just several minutes of your screen time.
 
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