130 grain 270 bullet on black bear?

Just to re-iterate, ANY 130 grain bullet - cup n core, bonded, monolithic, spun brass will kill ANY BLACK BEAR..................it just doesn't matter what bullet. The skin is not thick enough , nor the bones heavier than any moose to matter with these bullets. It will penetrate completely through ANY black bear, and leave a baseball sized hole on the other side. I have seen 4 black bears KILLED with a .270 win . Each was more dramatic than any kill with a .308 or .30-06
They were SOOOOOOOOOOO dead.
 
Bushwack said:
remington core lock, excellent...would rather suggest the federal in the red box (they are premuim bullets, blue box not - well in Africa they are not)

Question: who much does a balck bear weigh?
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Weights vary greatly with age, ### and time of year. A male much over 300 pounds is good sized but its possible find one that scales at double that. From what I've seen, you could go with a bit smaller than lion. Many less than fully mature are shot, since to many people a bear's a bear. The young ones are better eating.
 
Dogleg said:
Weights vary greatly with age, ### and time of year. A male much over 300 pounds is good sized but its possible find one that scales at double that. From what I've seen, you could go with a bit smaller than lion. Many less than fully mature are shot, since to many people a bear's a bear. The young ones are better eating.
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300-500 pound animal with a 130gr bullet...to good to be true AND ARE MOST PROBABLY POSSIBLE WITH THE RIGHT PLACING OF THE SHOT...Kudu and Blue Wildebeest, probably Oryx also are all in the same weight region of 250-320 lbs, but i will assure you that killing something in the 500-600lb region is going to be difficult and a big challange. I would like very much to hunt a black bear someday, but most probably with my .375 H&H...hahaha
 
sgt.rock said:
Just to re-iterate, ANY 130 grain bullet - cup n core, bonded, monolithic, spun brass will kill ANY BLACK BEAR..................it just doesn't matter what bullet. The skin is not thick enough , nor the bones heavier than any moose to matter with these bullets. It will penetrate completely through ANY black bear, and leave a baseball sized hole on the other side. I have seen 4 black bears KILLED with a .270 win . Each was more dramatic than any kill with a .308 or .30-06
They were SOOOOOOOOOOO dead.
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You are dead wrong my friend.........dead wrong. I've seen all sorts of bullets not exit a black bear, some out of much larger calibers than a 270.
 
Mine fell last year to a 270 cal 130 grain Nosler Balistic tip. Lungs were scrambled. Bullet did exit. Piled up in less than 15 feet.
 
Sure why not that's all I use. I'm now working on some 110 grain bullets now gonna give them a try next hunting season for deer.
 
Bushwack said:
300-500 pound animal with a 130gr bullet...to good to be true AND ARE MOST PROBABLY POSSIBLE WITH THE RIGHT PLACING OF THE SHOT...Kudu and Blue Wildebeest, probably Oryx also are all in the same weight region of 250-320 lbs, but i will assure you that killing something in the 500-600lb region is going to be difficult and a big challange. I would like very much to hunt a black bear someday, but most probably with my .375 H&H...hahaha
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While I can find little fault with your 375 H&H for bears if you shoot it well. I also think that your characterization of 500-600lb animals being difficult and a big challenge for a .270 and 130 grain bullets may be more accurate for African game. I have seen enough animals from 400-1100lbs including a number of black bears over 500 killed with it often by 130 grain bullets to be confident in its ability. Provided of course you choose a tough bullet that penetrates well so no berger or A-max bullets.
Having dispatched bears with cartridges varying from .223 to .45-70 I have come to the conclusion that while most any deer suitable load will get the job done. My preference is towards medium or large bore moderate velocity cartridges but that is due to the way we hunt bears in NB.
 
MD said:
Would you use a 270 loaded with 130 grain bullets on a black bear?

I think the bullets are Speer Hot-Cor.

Just asking. My current 270 shoots my 150 grain Hornady Interlocks just fine but I may be getting another one today and I have three boxes of the Federals so I'll sight it in with those and may hunt with it. See how it goes.
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The 130 gr Speer Hot Core looks like a good choice. Wait for a broadside or slightly quartering away shot and you are good to go. For deer, my new ammo of choice, is the Winchester Power Max Bonded PHP 150 gr.....I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs. I've had great results with Remington CoreLokt 130 gr and Federal Premium Nosler Partition 150 gr. The only ammo that I ever had a problem with was Winchester Supreme Silver Tip 140 gr, when I took a close quartering towards me shot.............totally my own fault. I like the "slower" factory loads and tough bullets.
 
Bushwack said:
300-500 pound animal with a 130gr bullet...to good to be true AND ARE MOST PROBABLY POSSIBLE WITH THE RIGHT PLACING OF THE SHOT...Kudu and Blue Wildebeest, probably Oryx also are all in the same weight region of 250-320 lbs, but i will assure you that killing something in the 500-600lb region is going to be difficult and a big challange. I would like very much to hunt a black bear someday, but most probably with my .375 H&H...hahaha
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different culture for sure.

they re doing it here so it can be done i seen myself my wife shooting black bears with a 270 win and 150 grains otherwise i wont believe it lol ...

whatever caliber shot placement is the key a gut shot with a 458 win mag is still a gut shot.

all the best.

Phil.
 
Bushwack said:
300-500 pound animal with a 130gr bullet...to good to be true AND ARE MOST PROBABLY POSSIBLE WITH THE RIGHT PLACING OF THE SHOT...Kudu and Blue Wildebeest, probably Oryx also are all in the same weight region of 250-320 lbs, but i will assure you that killing something in the 500-600lb region is going to be difficult and a big challange. I would like very much to hunt a black bear someday, but most probably with my .375 H&H...hahaha
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I don't know about that. I like a 375 just as much as anyone and have also killed kudu, gemsbuck and wildebeeste and many other animals with one. We can shoot bears on my land without a lot of effort, and although I have no doubt that a 375 would work well, so do the 25s, 270s, 7mms, 30s and even a muzzleloader. They just aren't that hard to kill. I'm not one to obsess about trying to use the smallest possible cartridge on a game animal, but do believe that a 270 or 7mm is lots of gun for a black bear. They just aren't that big. There's nothing wrong with using that biggest thing you have, but there's no big advantage to it.
 
Agreed. While I like to look upon our species as admirable, and they are, few things have the toughness and tenacity here many species seem to exude in Africa. I believe it comes from a long and storied history of heavy predation and the survival instinct remaining razor sharp in Africa. The only species in Canada that exhibit African-grade tougness in my opinion are Wood Bison, and Grizzly / Brown bears. Both of those will startle a person with what they'll do even following good hits. Black bears have surprised me too, I had one with half a heart make a hell of a sprint, but they're not three legs, hole in the heart, one lung, and still bucking tough.
 
Black bears are still small, soft and fast enough to be easily killed with small, soft and fast bullets. Save the big, hard and slow bullets for the big, hard and slow animals. Big, slow and soft will work in a pinch.
 
medvedqc said:
different culture for sure.

they re doing it here so it can be done i seen myself my wife shooting black bears with a 270 win and 150 grains otherwise i wont believe it lol ...

whatever caliber shot placement is the key a gut shot with a 458 win mag is still a gut shot.

all the best.

Phil.
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Phil yes, true...Africa probably has more tougher animals then same places in the world, my opinion was just that a 130gr standard bullet didn't seem enough bullet for me...on the other hand...a premuim 150gr might be the answer...

Also keep in mind i didn't hunt a bear in my life...but would like to someday (perhaps i must do a swop hunt...hahaha)

Like i indicated in a previous mail, i hunted a lot of animals with a .270 - great weapon and calibre
 
Bushwack said:
Also keep in mind i didn't hunt a bear in my life...
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Ya, that was not hard to figure out from your last response.

As so many others have said over and over, black bears are thin skinned and very easy to kill, even the big ones. I have killed many with a 130g .270 bullet and never felt the need for more.
 
Too bad I can't take Bushwhack up on a bear hunt swap. Legally I could take a Canadian, but not a non-resident alien. Or at least I can if I don't call it a hunt swap. Old and new friends are OK
 
Dogleg said:
Black bears are still small, soft and fast enough to be easily killed with small, soft and fast bullets. Save the big, hard and slow bullets for the big, hard and slow animals. Big, slow and soft will work in a pinch.
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There are 500-700lbs bears shot often here in Ontario, IMO that is not a small critter. I prefer a big gun when being stared down by one
 
canadaman30 said:
There are 500-700lbs bears shot often here in Ontario, IMO that is not a small critter. I prefer a big gun when being stared down by one
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There are black bears out there bigger than grizzly bears, but I think it boils down to the fact that hunters don't like the idea of following up a wounded or possibly not quite dead grizzly due to their aggressiveness and will to live, which seems to be quite a bit stronger than a black bear. Their anatomy is basically identical. But you're right, from the perspective of dispatching an animal with the proper caliber, there's no difference.
 
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