14" 45acp barrel blank?

[tiriaq]

You are correct. You cannot cut a longarm's barrel to less than 18" without creating a prohibited firearm.
But a barrel blank is not a barrel.
Barrel blanks are not made in finished lengths.
There is nothing in the CC or FA which requires a particular licence to make a gun barrel - with the exception of a 105mm or less handgun barrel.

 

[drift1122]

So say if I finish complete a barrel at 18.5 but then decide to cut it to 12", would that now be prohibited??? If I finish a blank to 12" right off th bat that's ok??

 

[BCRider]

So say if I finish complete a barrel at 18.5 but then decide to cut it to 12", would that now be prohibited??? If I finish a blank to 12" right off th bat that's ok??

According to tiraq that would be OK. But since this is a home made barrel it would be good fun in a court proving that you cut the blank down and made the barrel from it. You might win but at what cost in legal fees?

I've seen threads like this before where supposedly the blank becomes a barrel when the chamber is cut. So I suppose the trick would be to do some sort of video documentation of the work showing the order in which it was done.

The only truly certain thing is that the way the law is written there's more holes in it than a colander. It's no wonder no one seems to fully understand what was intended. But because of this I suspect you'd have a hard time finding a regular gunsmith willing to make a barrel from a blank that is shorter than the 18 or 18.5 inch mentioned in the Act.

 

[tiriaq]

So say if I finish complete a barrel at 18.5 but then decide to cut it to 12", would that now be prohibited??? If I finish a blank to 12" right off th bat that's ok??

I suspect that if you finished the barrel at 18 1/2", and then subsequently cut it shorter, you would create a prohibited firearm.
My interpretation would be if you made and fitted a 12" barrel, the rifle would not be prohibited, as long as overall length met the requirements.

Just a thought about blank length... One chap who uses the hammer forging process can run tubes up to 10 feet long through the machine. Would be a real problem if a blank could not be cut to finished length.

 

[wbaad]

You are correct. You cannot cut a longarm's barrel to less than 18" without creating a prohibited firearm.
But a barrel blank is not a barrel.
Barrel blanks are not made in finished lengths.
There is nothing in the CC or FA which requires a particular licence to make a gun barrel - with the exception of a 105mm or less handgun barrel.

Hmmm you may be on to something.
Wonder what the lab would say.......

 

[Suputin]

A factory made barrel can be shorter than 18 or 18.5" for a semi, but you as a back yard
gunsmith can't make it yourself.

True and Bull!

If a semi-auto has a less than 18" bbl then it is restricted ... which is OK. There is nothing stopping anyone making a less than 18" bbl for a semi-auto, just as long as the firearm is subsequently registered as Restricted. People make AR bbl all the time.

Suputin , It does say in the Regulations that you can't cut a barrel less than 18"
BTW, I now stock 8 in shot guns, factory made, non restricted, Think you can
make one your self? You can't
You could make a 14 in barrel liner for a factory made barrel O.K.
if you are making a 12 or 14 inch barrel for a restricted gun, than that is not a problem.

You are confusing bits of the law.

A bbl cannot be "cut" to less than 18" but there is no reason it cannot be "made" as less than 18". The caveat being that such a bbl would render a semi-auto as Restricted while a bolt gun is fine as long as the OAL is greater than 26".

So say if I finish complete a barrel at 18.5 but then decide to cut it to 12", would that now be prohibited??? If I finish a blank to 12" right off th bat that's ok??

This is not a simple question. As the maker of the bbl, when is that bbl finished? Is not test firing part of making a bbl? Is not trimming to length part of making a bbl? This is the problem with laws written by people who haven't got the faintest clue. The law is both unintelligible and in most cases impossible to enforce. The only way you could be charged with such a crime is that if you admitted to it .... and why would you do such a thing? "No officer, the barrel is at the length which I made it. Prove otherwise."

 

[drift1122]

I really didn't expect the law to be so vague...
Has anyone built something similar to what I'm planning on doing? Would I have to send it to the rcmp lab for inspection??

 

[tiriaq]

There have been quite a number of .45ACP Lee Enfield conversions done. Doubt that any have been sent to the SFSS for inspection. Why would one be sent?

 

[drift1122]

There have been quite a number of .45ACP Lee Enfield conversions done. Doubt that any have been sent to the SFSS for inspection. Why would one be sent?

I don't know for classification I suppose but if it's made non restricted that wouldn't be necessary. I'm just trying to get as much info as I can on this matter before I start machining the parts.

 

[mooncoon]

for those wanting to take advantage of the laws re barrels manufactured shorter than 18" rule, I strongly believe that a person would have to have a manufacturing license for the short barrel to be recognized by the government, as non restricted

cheers mooncoon

 

[Suputin]

There have been quite a number of .45ACP Lee Enfield conversions done. Doubt that any have been sent to the SFSS for inspection. Why would one be sent?

You are correct. There would be no reason to send anything to the CFC regardless of what was done to it because in the end this is just a bbl change. The rifle itself has not fundamentally changed in its method of action.

 

[Suputin]

for those wanting to take advantage of the laws re barrels manufactured shorter than 18" rule, I strongly believe that a person would have to have a manufacturing license for the short barrel to be recognized by the government, as non restricted

cheers mooncoon

Please quote law or regulation that states this?

As posted several times in this thread, the 18" bbl length only applies to semi-autos. This thread concerns a bolt action.

 

[Beater]

What about all the mares legs? Some are well under 26" oal. I would stick to the longer bbl anyway, it will look better/less noise.

many of them ARE under the 26" rule and are STILL non restricted. that is one I cant explane

 

[Suputin]

many of them ARE under the 26" rule and are STILL non restricted. that is one I cant explane

Uhhhh then me neither. Weird.

 

[mooncoon]

many of them ARE under the 26" rule and are STILL non restricted. that is one I cant explane

It is my impression that there is a clause that permits short barreled non semi-auto guns as long as they were manufactured that way. The key item being that the gun was manufactured by a licensed gun manufacturer and not by a non licensed individual. During the long gun registry I tried to register a home built muzzloader with my own name as the manufacturer. I received the answer that it had to be registered as "home made" because I did not have a manufacturing license. If I had the license my understanding is that my own name would have been acceptable as the manufacturer. Getting back to the original post, I am sure there must be a minimum barrel length for 26" total length non semi auto guns. For example I find it hard to believe that a bolt action rifle with a 14" stock and say a 4" action would be acceptable with a 8" barrel for a total of 26". The minimum barrel length for a semi auto is found in section 84 of the criminal code but I don't want to be bothered wading through all of the rest of the code and act to find justification of the above statements

cheers mooncoon

 

[drift1122]

Totally unrelated to the current discussion but has there been Enfield conversions in 45 mag, 45-70 and 44 mag built before??