15 Shot, 1000 YDS SF PRONE, LR/wLRFC Record set by a Canadian!

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National Rifle Association Official National Records as of 1/7/2008

Current record for...
15 SHOTS, 1000 YDS SF PRONE, LR/wLRFC TGT
Category Record Holder Score X/10 +Score +X/10 Time Date
Open C BALLARD
MEBANE, NC 148 4 08/19/2007
Civilian C BALLARD
MEBANE, NC 148 4 08/19/2007

from... http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natl_records.asp​

This is the new 1/2 moa x ring target guys...

EH Congrats to Mr. Glen Taylor aka inspector for shooting 148-5x during the Pacific NorthWest F Class match held at Douglas Ridge Range in OR, range #7 (first 1000 yd match on Saturday, Aug 11, 2007) and picking up a 1st place for the two 1000 yd match agg that day. Hope they recognize it for ya' buddy and have your NRA card #. This is on a 1/2 moa X target, the 10 ring is 1 moa, like the DCRA V bull is, 1 moa.

Would be nice to see the NRA site updated too... I see they changed it since I made this original post, but have not added Glen yet :( and it has been a few months since he did this!
 
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Thank you kindly gentlemen. Even a old dufuss from the north can get lucky every now and then. I'm probably more proud of the rifle. Canadian action (KS Arms, Edmonton AB), Canadian barrel (Ron Smith, Wimborne AB 7mm gaintwist) Canadian stock H&H pattern (Ian Robertson, Napean Ont) Canadian bipod (Henry Rempel, Calgary AB) Cool eh!

Really, if it stands, it probably won't last long as the US shooters are an extremely capable bunch as well as being very hospitable and great folks to shoot with.

If it stands, fine. If it doesn't, the fine too. It's all good. I love shooting and I really don't care. First, middle or dead last, I'll keep doing this as long as there are people, like all of you, out there doing it.

Onward and hopefully upward.

Cheers, Glen
 
Hi again, 5 minutes after I replied above, I got to thinking, why don't we have Canadian Records like the US, at least for fullbore. Are we that different?

I realize we'd probably have to create a database but I know "Kodiak" Keith has this down to a fine art. Thanks in advance Keith!

I'd also suppose we'd have to involve the DCRA as the sanctifier. I don't think that would be a problem if we maintained it ourselves as the DCRA Staff already do a ten person adminitration job with 5 people. All the prerequisites would be is that it is shot at a PRA registered match, i.e. matches from the PRA official schedule and also from the PPRA and any other bonifide Canadian Rifle Association. Do it for all the fullbore diciplines. If the pistol and gravel guns guys want to do it, they can start their own.

I think with a minimal amount of statistical collection and reporting from a designated PRA stats collector to one individual for input, we could do this.

What say ye?

Cheers, Glen
 
The only issue I can see if we keep track of the max scores shot in the DCRA matches is that it will prove that we need to go to a smaller target like the US has.

I have only been at this game for a couple of years and my personal bests are already...

300M 50-10/75-12
400M 50-09/74-08
500yds 50-10
500M 50-08
600yds 50-10
600M 50-07
800yds 50-08/75-14
900yds 50-09/75-12
1000yds 47-02/75-13

SR agg 2+10 (300M, 500yd, 600yd) PB is 150-28v out of 150-30v
LR agg 2+15 (800,900,1000yd) PB is 216-27v out of 225-45v (I suck at 1000...)

As you can see, I'm sure the records would be max'd out really fast unless we go to a smaller target.
Comments on my claim that we would have to go to a smaller target??

Glen, I'm sure you must have cleaned (in F-O, that means only V's) every yardage by now eh...

Keith
 
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Glen,
Quite the accomplishment. Congrats.
Worthy of mention that it is all Canadian made - since there have been many threads about the "superiority " of US smiths...
 
Kodiak99317 said:
As you can see, I'm sure the records would be max'd out really fast unless we go to a smaller target.
Comments on my claim that we would have to go to a smaller target??
Keith
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Just a few comments about this. How many clean Aggs have been shot at the DCRA with the present target?
On the other hand, Canada needs to keep up with what the other countries are doing on the international level as far as F Class goes.
Simple solution for target marking when squadded with TR shooters.... Have a two colour value indicator. One colour say black for a regular V Bull and red or orange for the F class V Bull. For the TR shooter it is a V either way, it will just be up to us dumbass TR guys to mark the score card correctly.

Great shooting Glen.
 
maynard said:
How many clean Aggs have been shot at the DCRA with the present target?
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SPRA, in 4 matchs we had that I have results for, 7 F-Open class shooters went clean at one of the yardages, so LOTS, in fact I cleaned the 1st stage of the LT Gov's in Sask this year with 120-20v's at 300M and 600 yds.

MPRA annual match (only one I was at) had 5 F Open shooters go clean at some yardage.

maynard said:
On the other hand, Canada needs to keep up with what the other countries are doing on the international level as far as F Class goes.
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Total agree here, so lets get at this one. The US already use the 1/2 moa X ring for F shooters. I know, we will have to deplete the old stock of 1 moa V bulls what we already have first...
 
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First of all, Inspector well done. Can you comment on the conditions you were shotting in, wind, mirage and so on.......



I shot 600 yds clean this year at the MPRA provincials and PGW Steve has shot 600, 900 and 1000 yards clean at this match.


From what we have been told around here we will not be switching targets for some time due to our current stock of targets. Up to 5 years worth.
 
Kodiak99317 said:
SPRA, in 4 matchs we had that I have results for, 7 F-Open class shooters went clean at one of the yardages, so LOTS, in fact I cleaned the 1st stage of the LT Gov's in Sask this year with 120-20v's at 300M and 600 yds.

MPRA annual match (only one I was at) had 4 F Open shooters go clean at some yardage.



Total agree here, so lets get at this one. The US already use the 1/2 moa X ring for F shooters. I know, we will have to deplete the old stock of 1 moa V bulls what we already have first...
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I am not talking about single match or stage, how many guys are going clean for the whole agg at all yardages?
Way back when we still used IVI (#4's, P-17's and P-14's and Sportco's) for target rifle 50's where not a easy thing to come by, therefore there were very few shoot offs. Once handloading come in the V Bull had to be introduced to cut back on shoot offs. Then a year or so later the V bull was reduced again to .5 MOA.
Forget about new faces .5 MOA wear centers can be pasted onto the target faces already in use.
 
mysticplayer said:
How big is the V and 5 ring now?

Jerry
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Depends on what distance your talking Jerry.
300M V is 2.75" (.876 moa) 5ring is 5.5" (1.751 moa)
400yds v is 4" (.955 moa) 5ring is 8" (1.910 moa)
500 yds v is 5.25" (1.003 moa) 5ring is 10.5" (2.006 noa)
600 yds V is 6.5" (1.035 moa) 5ring is 13" (2.069 moa)
800 to 1000, same target, V is 12" 5ring is 24"
moa varies with distance on this last target...

Tom, I don't think anyone has ever shoot an entire agg clean, ever, anywhere...

Toolman, (Rob D. I think right?) I cleaned 300M at the MPRA annual too... and Ron Wilson and I had a shootoff for 1st in the "M J Jones", remember?
 
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Right now the long range V bull is 12" and the bull is 24". It seems generous given today's equipment and shooters. However, it is time to tighten up the target size. Having said that I am still very thrilled to hit the 12" V bull at 1K.
 
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Depends on what distance your talking Jerry.
300M V is 2.75" 5ring is 5.5"
400yds v is 4" 5ring is 8"
500 yds v is 5.25" 5ring is 10.5"
600 yds V is 6.5" 5ring is 13"
800 to 1000, same target, V is 12" 5ring is 24"

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At Kamloops, the targets at 300m are 2" X and 4" 10 (or 5 if you score that way). My guess is that the 9 ring would be like 6" across.

Yes, those are very generously sized targets and double the US versions. 1/2 MOA X and 1MOA 10, the US version of the 800 target is your 400yds target.

Would make for very high scores.

Jerry
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Terry Perkins said:
...I am still very thrilled to hit the 12" V bull at 1K.
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Same, I suck at a grand!

But you know the saying.... aim small, miss small

If I had my way we would also have a WHITE center but that will never happen... and mirage boards down the sides of the target frame for mirage readings.... sorry, I come from a BR background... and god I miss my own flags and reloading the same 10 cases on the range ;)

Don't worry, I will never suggest these changes, the LR game has been set in stone for the last, what, 100+ yrs, but... as Tom said, the target has changed already from the original so.... we can dream I guess....

Steve, IMO neither would make it on it's own (T/r or F Class), this is CANADA eh... just look at the small turnout I had at the Driller's last year and we were using 1/2 moa targets... 300M target at 600 yds, 500 yd target at 1000 yds...

Jerry, check your measurements.... the ISSF target (which I think you guys used) has a 5 cm X ring and a 10 cm 10 ring or 1.97" for the X and 3.94" for the 10 ring... a little bigger than 1/2 moa and 1 moa.... but still smaller and tougher than the std DCRA 300M target... kidding, what's .03" or .06" eh .... still

The US does not shoot 300M. Their 300 yd target is
X ring . . . . . . . . . . 1.42
10 ring . . . . . . . . . 2.85
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . 5.85

To be the same moa size as the US 300yd target, our 300M rings in inches would have to be...
X ring . . . . . . . . . . 1.553716667
10 ring . . . . . . . . . 3.118375
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . 6.400875

It would be easier moving in 28 yds and just using their target eh :)

I'm hoping, someday, we (everyone in LR around the world) will be using the same sized targets!

One more thing.... in Benchrest for score (Varmint for score aka group gun LV or HV, Hunter for score and Varmint Hunter for score)... the 10 ring.... it is 1/2 moa!!! But the X... it is like .16" at 100 yds so about .15 moa....

Question, Has the US, by going to the 1/2 moa bull for their LR targets, set BR standards for our Commonwealth LR targets??? Damn... it is belly benchrest after all eh :)
 
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[QUOTE Question, Has the US, by going to the 1/2 moa bull for their LR targets, set BR standards for our Commonwealth LR targets??? Damn... it is belly benchrest after all eh :)[/QUOTE]

I seems that as our equipment improves we need to keep up with the target end of things as well. I look forward to the changes happening. This will add one more dynamic to an already great sport.

BTW Keith I was the person who scored you in the shoot off. I was shooting the blue 260.

Lawrence Z.
 
I know the face, I just have troubles with names... Sorry Lawrence. BTW LZ your rifle shoots as nice as it looks :) Your the guy that cleaned the 2+7 at 600 yds... and you were only 3 points back of me at the agg, nice shooting, you got 4th overall if my memory is any good, right?
 
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Kodiak99317 said:
I know the face, I just have troubles with names... Sorry Lawrence. BTW LZ your rifle shoots as nice as it looks :) Your the guy that cleaned the 2+7 at 600 yds... and you were only 3 points back of me at the agg, nice shooting, you got 4th overall if my memory is any good, right?
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You are correct sir. Look forward to meeting up with you again in 08.
 
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