150 gr. .30-06 Underperformance?

The Core Loct is actually a pretty good bullet for most of the people most of the time. The term controlled expansion was a Remington advertising slogan at one time. Pretty sure they came out in the 50s and have boringly doing ordinary stuff ever since.

Sooo whats so bad about ordinary? Most people, with that to the snowflakes aren’t doing anything that isn’t that special. Most shots aren’t 6-700 yards and most
animals aren’t buffalo tough. Cases like that justify straying from the norm, but you better understand that when you deviate from the average you’re making a choice for speciality over normal. Take a bullet with the sleekest high BC wind cheating thing around that the manufacturer if he had any wits about him already realized that by the time all that #### matters a soft bullet matters just as much or more. Might not be your best 50 yard moose bullet. Go the opposite direction and the best bullet for going stern to stem on a Texas heart shot moose just might not be overly fantastic for anything else.

Simeone mentioned hunters really not having a super amount of experience and maybe guides having more than that. Sorry, but 10 times ####all is still ####all. Professional cullers in my experience tend to use whatever is cheapest and limit their shots to the sure thing. Thats good business and not a bad plan. Should you believe the gun writer who got s free trip for a story? What could go wrong there? You might find a crazy guy with thousands of kills and a serious interest and no bias but some
of those guys need to go to bed. .
Short of believing crazy people, theres the millions of people with uncountable kills using decidably ordinary stuff. You might be able to limp your way through with that.
 
Aren't some Core Lokts actually Hornady Interlocks now? Like the Accutip bronze points and now Tipped Core Lokts are SSTs?

not that it really matters, although seems like some of the Remington produced bullets have little cult followings, like the round noses
 
Jay said:
The only bullet I can recall ever recovering from a white tailed deer was fired from my 7mm Rem Mag with the deer being broadside somewhere around 60 yards away IIRC. 150 grain pill weighed something like 70 grains when recovered, mushroom shaped albeit seriously flattened... Like WhelanLad said, the hide can really stretch out on the far side...

My only complaint in cases like this is, no exit wound for blood trailing IF required...
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That was a 7mm Rem Mag!? Ok wow. This has all been very informative. Yes, the mushroom was severely pulled back. Pretty neat to see actually.
Do agree also with your point on a blood trail if needed.
Thank you.
 
Outdoorsman308 said:
That was a 7mm Rem Mag!? Ok wow. This has all been very informative. Yes, the mushroom was severely pulled back. Pretty neat to see actually.
Do agree also with your point on a blood trail if needed.
Thank you.
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Outdoorsman,

If you don't mind paying extra, check out the Federal Terminal ascent bullets. They're an updated version of the Trophy Bonded Tipped. Probably the best all around choice that encorporates the good aspects of a mono, with the faster expansion of a lead cored bullet.

Unlike a Partition, which sheds the front 1/3 of the bullet, the Terminal Ascent has the lead electrochemically bonded to the jacket. The hind end is a solid copper shank.

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Terminal-Ascent-1.jpg
 
Dogleg said:
The Core Loct is actually a pretty good bullet for most of the people most of the time. The term controlled expansion was a Remington advertising slogan at one time. Pretty sure they came out in the 50s and have boringly doing ordinary stuff ever since.

Sooo whats so bad about ordinary? Most people, with that to the snowflakes aren’t doing anything that isn’t that special. Most shots aren’t 6-700 yards and most
animals aren’t buffalo tough. Cases like that justify straying from the norm, but you better understand that when you deviate from the average you’re making a choice for speciality over normal. Take a bullet with the sleekest high BC wind cheating thing around that the manufacturer if he had any wits about him already realized that by the time all that #### matters a soft bullet matters just as much or more. Might not be your best 50 yard moose bullet. Go the opposite direction and the best bullet for going stern to stem on a Texas heart shot moose just might not be overly fantastic for anything else.

Simeone mentioned hunters really not having a super amount of experience and maybe guides having more than that. Sorry, but 10 times ####all is still ####all. Professional cullers in my experience tend to use whatever is cheapest and limit their shots to the sure thing. Thats good business and not a bad plan. Should you believe the gun writer who got s free trip for a story? What could go wrong there? You might find a crazy guy with thousands of kills and a serious interest and no bias but some
of those guys need to go to bed. .
Short of believing crazy people, theres the millions of people with uncountable kills using decidably ordinary stuff. You might be able to limp your way through with that.
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I’m blown away at the intellectual comments and perspectives from these comments. This was a great read, Thank you for your post.
 
Joel said:
Outdoorsman,

If you don't mind paying extra, check out the Federal Terminal ascent bullets. They're an updated version of the Trophy Bonded Tipped. Probably the best all around choice that encorporates the good aspects of a mono, with the faster expansion of a lead cored bullet.

Unlike a Partition, which sheds the front 1/3 of the bullet, the Terminal Ascent has the lead electrochemically bonded to the jacket. The hind end is a solid copper shank.

review-federal-premium-terminal-ascent-inset2.jpg


Terminal-Ascent-1.jpg
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Wow what a round! No this is precisely why I posted. I don’t mind trying something new. Thank you for the recommendation. Would you stick with 150 in this or go higher?
 
I have shot a lot of Core Locts and interlocks in the past in various weights as well as a pile of C.I.L. KKSP's
They worked very well indeed.
However, I don't like finding g lead in my grind - not because I think it will kill me, it's just unpleasant to bite into! LOL
That is why I moved away from cup and core to monometal , and it's the only reason
Cat
 
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iron cat said:
I have shot a lot of Core Locts and interlocks in the past in various weights as well as a pile of C.I.L. KKSP's
They worked very well I deed.
However, I don't like finding g lead in my grind - not because I think it will kill me, it's just unpleasant to bite into! LOL
That is why I moved away from cup and core to monometal , and it's the only reason
Cat
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Haha. I get that. I feel after this thread I may move into a different direction. I have used the core lokt for a lot of years. Maybe this is my year of change. Thank you for the post.
 
Your initial post doesn't mention if the 30-06 load is factory or handloaded. Some factory ammo, win silverbox/fed blue box, is probably glorified 308win. Handloaded ammo can push 308nm/300wsm velocity.

To state the obvious, 30-06 150 is faster, will hit hard at say sub 300 yds. That initial high velocity may over match low end cup n core bullets at very close range. It will also start shedding velocity and energy faster than larger projectile. Better point blank performance, lower recoil are the positives. If your ranges are longer, animals larger than deer, and your disputing ownership of animals, its better to go say 165 or 180. Otherwise, it's actually better than a 270 150gr, except it will shed velocity and energy quick, with the added bonus of being able to load a 200gr stomper while your elbow deep in an animal.
 
nowarningshot said:
Your initial post doesn't mention if the 30-06 load is factory or handloaded. Some factory ammo, win silverbox/fed blue box, is probably glorified 308win. Handloaded ammo can push 308nm/300wsm velocity.

To state the obvious, 30-06 150 is faster, will hit hard at say sub 300 yds. That initial high velocity may over match low end cup n core bullets at very close range. It will also start shedding velocity and energy faster than larger projectile. Better point blank performance, lower recoil are the positives. If your ranges are longer, animals larger than deer, and your disputing ownership of animals, its better to go say 165 or 180. Otherwise, it's actually better than a 270 150gr, except it will shed velocity and energy quick, with the added bonus of being able to load a 200gr stomper while your elbow deep in an animal.
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Great post, thank you.
 
Outdoorsman308 said:
I took my last years mule buck at only 168 yards. Clean shot just below the shoulder. Couldn’t find an exit wound on the shot. While skinning, the round fell out and onto the floor. It was sandwiched just between the meat and the hide. I have used those 150 grains on many whitetail and muley and have never seen that before. Nice older buck. I would post a picture of the lead but can’t figure out how haha.

The 150 shook my faith a bit. Should I go for a heavier grain this season? Typical range shots in my area are 2-300 yards + for game.
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I would take that bullet performance any day of the week. Good shot.
 
Outdoorsman308 said:
Wow what a round! No this is precisely why I posted. I don’t mind trying something new. Thank you for the recommendation. Would you stick with 150 in this or go higher?
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Happy to share.

I've only ever seen and bought them in 175gr weight for 30-06 that might be the only game in town if you decide to use them.
 
Outdoorsman308 said:
Haha. I get that. I feel after this thread I may move into a different direction. I have used the core lokt for a lot of years. Maybe this is my year of change. Thank you for the post.
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I'd just move up to a heavier Core Lokt or other C&C bullet. Keep it simple, it's only a deer.

I shoot 180gr C&Cs in both my two 30-06s for deer loads. Hornady 180gr RN in my 20" 760 and Speer 180gr GS in my 700.

For moose, I have some Nosler Partitions for my 30-06 and 257Rigby but I'm sure those Speer GS would be fine for moose as well.

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Outdoorsman308 said:
I took my last years mule buck at only 168 yards. Clean shot just below the shoulder. Couldn’t find an exit wound on the shot. While skinning, the round fell out and onto the floor. It was sandwiched just between the meat and the hide. I have used those 150 grains on many whitetail and muley and have never seen that before. Nice older buck. I would post a picture of the lead but can’t figure out how haha.

The 150 shook my faith a bit. Should I go for a heavier grain this season? Typical range shots in my area are 2-300 yards + for game.
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You're track record appears to be in good order, why change bullets? This year I'm hunting deer with my 30-06 accompanied with 125 grain Nosler Accubond. I'm most confident that they will kill a big buck, if I find one.
 
SuperCub said:
I'd just move up to a heavier Core Lokt or other C&C bullet. Keep it simple, it's only a deer.

I shoot 180gr C&Cs in both my two 30-06s for deer loads. Hornady 180gr RN in my 20" 760 and Speer 180gr GS in my 700.

For moose, I have some Nosler Partitions for my 30-06 and 257Rigby but I'm sure those Speer GS would be fine for moose as well.

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Great information. I think I will move up and try it out this year. My one .06 is also a 20”.
Thank you!
 
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