150gr CoreLokts for moose?

[Boomer]

These anti-premium rants are getting weaker and weaker, and if you think that John Nosler was a fool for created the golden standard for big game bullet performance, write him a letter and let him know.

When the Partition came out it completly outclassed the other bullets of the day. John Nosler made the following garauntee:

Nosler Partition Jacket Bullet
We GAURENTEE our bullet to hold together better in heavy game than any other type of expanding bullet OR YOUR MONEY BACK.

All calibers 10c each shipped 50 per box
30 caliber, 150, 180 grain available now.
John A. Nosler
382 Weightman Street - Ashland Oregon

 

[senior]

If you really need me to send you the $10 a year that I spend on premiums, you are probably unemployed and must be "subsistence hunting"- in which case, you should really start killing your game with a homemade bow and arrow made out of animal sinew and green saplings, which would be free. Then you wouldn't have to beg us men here on CGN for spare change

$30/box of 100 Corloc's vs $50 box of 50 Partitions...hows your math lately?
Or maybe you only shoot 10 rds a year...$10=10 bullets.

PM me for my addy, I'll take all the throw away $$ you want

Actually since you have it to dispose of, a little extra would be nice then my wife could drive a Caddy & wouldn't have to drive her crappy non-premium Monty Carlo SS!

I'll stick to Horn Interlocks & Rem Core'loc's till I hear from you since they've work well for me for 30-40 years

 

[Huntin' Gun]

So this has become a premium vs non-premium argument. Very opinionated on both sides. That's fine, but I'm still wondering about the 'weight for caliber' [150 gr in a .30 cal] side of the arguement. So the corelokt is a non-premium bullet that has done fine for many people here, but would you want a 150 gr corlokt for moose? Wouldn't you want a 180 corlokt because of the heavier construction [thicker jacket] and the increased sectional density to get better penetration? The 150 gr is built with a thinner jacket, and it is non-premium, so it's potential for jacket separation is higher, and that would result in less penetration?
So, to all the non-premium supporters: Would you feel comfortable using a 150 gr corlokt in a .30-06 against a big bull moose?

 

[CV32]

So, to all the non-premium supporters: Would you feel comfortable using a 150 gr corlokt in a .30-06 against a big bull moose?

I wouldn't class myself as a 'non-premium supporter', but rather as not being in the 'premium or bust snob club'.

The short answer to your question is 'Yes'.

Long answer: If I am taking a high percentage shot on the vital zone (its pretty big in a moose), which of course I should be, then the difference between a 150 gr and an 180 gr bullet is trivial. Not all bullets are created equal, but a Core-Lokt is sufficient to do the job.

 

[Jordan Smith]

$30/box of 100 Corloc's vs $50 box of 50 Partitions...hows your math lately?
Or maybe you only shoot 10 rds a year...$10=10 bullets.

PM me for my addy, I'll take all the throw away $$ you want

Actually since you have it to dispose of, a little extra would be nice then my wife could drive a Caddy & wouldn't have to drive her crappy non-premium Monty Carlo SS!

I'll stick to Horn Interlocks & Rem Core'loc's till I hear from you since they've work well for me for 30-40 years

You obviously missed my post higher up in this thread. Here is what I said:

"I laugh whenever you say that these premiums are "super-expensive" and "wallet busters". I fired 4 Barnes TSX bullets this year, 1 TTSX, and a LOT of Core-lokts and Sierra GK's. After I shoot some targets and find out that the Barnes bullets hit to the same POI as the cheaper GK's and CL's, guess what? I shoot the cheap bullets all year at targets, gophers, badgers, coyotes, etc, and use the TSX/TTSX bullets for big game hunting, which is usually around 7 shots per year. So if I spent $1 per bullet, and a CL would have cost me $0.25 per bullet, then I spent a grand total of $5.25 more by using Barnes bullets for hunting than I would have if I had used CL's.

Sure, when you first develop the load you may spend up to $50 (probably less) to get the premium load dialed in and figured out, but after that you'll only spend $10 or less per year to use those bullets for hunting. If you can't afford a one time fee of $50, and then $10 a year after that, then I don't know how you manage to pay for gasoline for your vehicle to take you to your favorite hunting spots."

Make sense now?

For the record, I'm a university student with a wife and baby. My wife stays home with the baby and doesn't work. If there is anybody who could use some spare cash, it's me. BUT....even I can afford to spend $10 a year on premium bullets FOR HUNTING. I will stick with my CL's and factory blem Sierra's for target practice and varmints.

"You spends your money, and you makes your choices." But please, don't tell me that you don't use premium bullets for hunting because you can't afford to.

 

[Jordan Smith]

I agree with CV32 on this one. The 150gr CL is sufficient to get into the vitals and make a mess, but if you involve smashing through heavy bone to get there, I'd want a 180gr bullet for peace of mind....either that or a 150gr TSX

 

[pricedo]

in 30 cal the 150gr cor lokt is an ok deer bullet, I think it would be a poor choice for moose though. The bullet just isnt designed to hold together through heavy bone and muscle. If it was a Nosler Partition or other premium bullet in 150gr, I think it would be ok

The bullet just isnt designed to hold together through heavy bone and muscle.

Got a good fix for that.

I don't shoot deer & moose through heavy bone & muscle.

If I don't have a clear shot at the vital zone at a personally feasible range (varies with individual skill & according to circumstances) I DON'T TAKE THE SHOT.

The reason I am good enough to take the longer shots is PRACTICE & lots of it.

I practice with the cartridges I use hunting........100.....sometimes 200 rounds at various ranges at one sitting with each rifle.

If I did that with premium cartridges/bullets I'd need to take out a bank loan before each range trip.

If cartridges/bullets are so costly that they reduce practice (& thereby shooter skill) because of budgetary constraints and the cheap bullets are more than adequate for the job then using premiums places the hunter at an unnecessary disadvantage.

 

[rem338win]

Pricedo, when I hunt these days, moat of the time it is a Barnes or an Accubond up the pipe. That is because I usually use the same rifle for coyote on up to dinosaurs for the season, and I favor higher velocity cartridges. But when I practice and plan on shooting 100 rounds down range, I can't afford, nor do I think it is wise to shoot premiums. I usually shoot interlocks or SST's and forget about it. I am no means a premium snob, but I do like them and use them. If I couldn't afford to stick 140gr TTSX's in my 284 to shoot elk, I would stuff it with 162gr Interlocks. The wisdom behind bigger is better when it comes to "regular" bullets is old, time tested, and true. That is all I am saying.

 

[Camp Cook]

I use both premiums and non-premiums there is a place for both and to agrue differently just tells me that these people do not use higher velocity rounds or understand the new technology.

When I shoot rifle/cartridge combo's that do not exceed 2800fps I do not neccasarily need a premium bullet but when I shoot higher velocity rounds I go to the premiums due to the added performance/peice of mind they give me.

As I have stated earlier sometimes that application is only the need/desire for a higher BC bullet or in an application where the velocity is so low that the added guarantee of the bullet expanding as is the case with bonded bullets they due to the manufacturing process expand more readily/reliably.

It isn't a matter of price it is a matter of what bullet is best for the specific application I am needing at the time and respect for the animal.

 

[todbartell]

I don't shoot deer & moose through heavy bone & muscle.

someday your stray 150gr cor lokt may find some heavy bone, and fail. And you will then wish you had a Nosler Partition or Barnes X etc in the chamber when you shot. If you think you're perfect and never miss, I think you're only fooling yourself.

All 3 big game animals I shot this year had wrecked shoulders. They dont always give you the perfect shot. A good bullet will make a difference!

 

[Jordan Smith]

I have had a strong and sudden wind gust throw my aim off a little bit right as I was squeezing the trigger, enough to turn a chest hit into a paunch hit. I have also had animals move right as the trigger was breaking. There are other unexpected, external factors that have made for some difficult marksmanship.

The fact of the matter is that crap happens, and every shooter misses from time to time. You would be wise to use a bullet that is capable of getting through heavy bone and into the vitals- whether that is a 180gr C&C or a 130-150gr TSX. If you're dead set on using a 150gr C&C, then do you very best to put the bullet in the ribs and stay off the heavy bones!

As the old saying goes: "If a hunter says that he's never missed his mark, then he is either a liar, or he hasn't done very much hunting!"

 

[Jordan Smith]

I'm with Camp cook. A bullet should be matched to the resistance that it will meet. Resistance comes from either impacting at high velocity, or else from impacting a high-density target.

While the resistance caused by impacting at 2800fps is perfect for a 150gr C&C bullet out of a .308, a heavy shoulder bone on a big moose may provide too much resistance for the bullet to hit and maintain its integrity.

 

[Gatehouse]

The "extra cost" of premiums for hunting bullets is a joke.

How many rounds do you shoot in a hunting year, including zeroing your rifle? 20? 25? Oh my...you have now spent $11 more than if you were using regular bullets. The powder, primer and brass all cost the same.

If I only ever hunted deer, I probbaly wouldn't bother with premiums, but when you hunt where you might run into an elk, moose or bear, premiums are cheap insurance.

Also cheap insurance for taking marginal shots on deer, that wouldn't work so well wiht standard bullets in a high velocity cartridge...

Not to mention premium bullets shoot so damn well...

 

[colinmatchett]

So this has become a premium vs non-premium argument. Very opinionated on both sides. That's fine, but I'm still wondering about the 'weight for caliber' [150 gr in a .30 cal] side of the arguement. So the corelokt is a non-premium bullet that has done fine for many people here, but would you want a 150 gr corlokt for moose? Wouldn't you want a 180 corlokt because of the heavier construction [thicker jacket] and the increased sectional density to get better penetration? The 150 gr is built with a thinner jacket, and it is non-premium, so it's potential for jacket separation is higher, and that would result in less penetration?
So, to all the non-premium supporters: Would you feel comfortable using a 150 gr corlokt in a .30-06 against a big bull moose?

I have proven to myself with both winchester and remington cup and core bullets that the 180 will provide 10 to 20 percent more penetration over the 150. I shot numerous rounds from a 308 into dry newsprint and the results are very consistent. Will it make a difference on a moose? Maybe and maybe not depending on shot placement, distance, etc.

 

[rem338win]

I have proven to myself with both winchester and remington cup and core bullets that the 180 will provide 10 to 20 percent more penetration over the 150. I shot numerous rounds from a 308 into dry newsprint and the results are very consistent. Will it make a difference on a moose? Maybe and maybe not depending on shot placement, distance, etc.

Stick a shoulder joint from a steer infront of that dry newspaper and it'll be a very different story my friend.

 

[Why not?]

The "extra cost" of premiums for hunting bullets is a joke.

How many rounds do you shoot in a hunting year, including zeroing your rifle? 20? 25? Oh my...you have now spent $11 more than if you were using regular bullets. The powder, primer and brass all cost the same.

If I only ever hunted deer, I probbaly wouldn't bother with premiums, but when you hunt where you might run into an elk, moose or bear, premiums are cheap insurance.

Also cheap insurance for taking marginal shots on deer, that wouldn't work so well wiht standard bullets in a high velocity cartridge...

Not to mention premium bullets shoot so damn well...

Amen, Bro!