16" Grizzly barrel
- Thread starter janesy
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- East ontario
not yet but there is 14" coming
huh?
There is nothing illegal about shorter barrels on a pump shotgun... Unless you're wanting to throw a pistol grip on, that is... 
PaveHammer
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- Kingston, ON
Remington made 16" guns a while back.
Apparently Remington MAY have made 16" barrel a while back, the CFC is currently trying to tell me that they didn't.
I am trying to find out, if anyone has documented proof I would appreciate a pm. Cheers
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Apparently Remington MAY have made 16" barrel a while back, the CFC is currently trying to tell me that they didn't.
Cheers
I saw a 16" barreled remington on the EE a while back it was apparently the shortest it could be with a folding stock (26"). The seller said it was a factory barrel but maybe it was not original remington.
I bought one of those shotguns with a Remington 16" barrel, now almost two years after I bought it the CFC is trying to tell me Remington never made them. There have been several of over the past few years and mine was one of a batch sold here, hadn't heard of anyone else having issues so I don't know WTF is going on, needless to say I am not happy with CFC particularly since the gun went through a CFC approved transfer when I bought it with the 16" barrel
Not so. The U.S. shotgun length (to be concerned with) is 18".
Shotguns with a barrel length of 18" and greater are Title 2 firearms.
Shotguns with a barrel length less than 18" are regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) as either a short-barreled shotgun (SBS) or as an any-other-weapon (AOW). They are legal, in most states. They are subject to registration and licensing.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/index.htm
In The World's Fighting Shotguns, author Thomas F. Swearengen (CWO, USMC, Ret.) details the evolution of fighting shotguns, including the Remington 870.
There is no mention of manufacture of the 870 in 16" barrel length. There is, however, some information which may be pertinent. In the section on the Ithaca Model 37 he relates that the L.A.P.D and L.A. County Sheriff's interest in shorter barrels led to an (initial) recommendation of an 18 inch barrel length and that:
"...some Remington 870 and Winchester Model 12 guns had their barrels cut to this length during the tests. These modified guns displayed an average overall length of about 38 inches (96.5cm). It was decided that this length was still too great for safety, but was within maximum acceptable tolerances. A total length of around 36 inches (91.4cm) was the desired goal."*
"During 1965, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office negotiated with Ithaca to produce a special short-barrel variation of the Model 37DS Police Special...equipped with a 16.25-inch (41.3cm) barrel."**
"The overall utility of the modified Police Special caused other west coast police departments to begin favoring the same gun, which further brought it to the attention of other departments around the country. This activity offered some keen sales competition to the Remington 870P. It was during this period that the Model 37 DS Police Special and the Remington 870P became the two most common police shotguns in the United States."***
*Swearengen, page 263, The World's Fighting Shotguns
**Swearengen, page 264, The World's Fighting Shotguns
***Swearengen, pages 264-265, The World's Fighting Shotguns
There is no mention of manufacture of the 870 in 16" barrel length. There is, however, some information which may be pertinent. In the section on the Ithaca Model 37 he relates that the L.A.P.D and L.A. County Sheriff's interest in shorter barrels led to an (initial) recommendation of an 18 inch barrel length and that:
"...some Remington 870 and Winchester Model 12 guns had their barrels cut to this length during the tests. These modified guns displayed an average overall length of about 38 inches (96.5cm). It was decided that this length was still too great for safety, but was within maximum acceptable tolerances. A total length of around 36 inches (91.4cm) was the desired goal."*
"During 1965, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office negotiated with Ithaca to produce a special short-barrel variation of the Model 37DS Police Special...equipped with a 16.25-inch (41.3cm) barrel."**
"The overall utility of the modified Police Special caused other west coast police departments to begin favoring the same gun, which further brought it to the attention of other departments around the country. This activity offered some keen sales competition to the Remington 870P. It was during this period that the Model 37 DS Police Special and the Remington 870P became the two most common police shotguns in the United States."***
*Swearengen, page 263, The World's Fighting Shotguns
**Swearengen, page 264, The World's Fighting Shotguns
***Swearengen, pages 264-265, The World's Fighting Shotguns
