You are just being a jerk, period.
Wads are designed for certain hulls correct? So if a wad is listed for 1 hull along with every other wad that is available but only 1 type of primer in this manual but then another type in another manual those are both published loads but make no sense.
I could just use the Lee manual that is in front of me that does not define the primer, wad or hull except to give a different charge for paper base wad or plastic base wad. The only note that is on the sheet is for Federal 209A primers, which are considered magnum primers and they recommend that you reduce the load "1 bushing size" to be safe.
These Lee loads are also published loads from a reputable source.
Then there are the notes out there that state that CCI 209 and CCI 209M are essentially the same primer now, but are they the same primer?
Then there is the fact that 16ga wads are very hard to find, so when I grabbed the R16 on clearance I figured I would find a load for it rather than go out and buy wads that are not available outside of the US and therefore illegal to export without a permit.
So, once again, I am trying to figure out why the discrepancies, you showing a picture you took from the internet of a ruptured chamber really does not do anything for the conversation.
If I only worked with modern published loads exactly as they are laid out in a modern manual I probably would not be able to shoot 50% of my guns, I like old and obscure and sometimes you have to do some digging.
Yep I am a jerk trying to prevent someone from having an undesirable event
I am a jerk that reloads every gauge from 410 to 10ga since the 60's and more 16ga than you have ever even seen let alone shot or reloaded so nothing you think is old and obscure I will not still have here or loaded in the past especially for the 16ga
To add own 86 shotguns in every gauge and reload for them all ( 11 are 16ga ) and NEVER had to alter from a published tested load to keep any gauge shooting so if you have to alter for 50% get some help from someone that knows what they are doing
However Carry on with your pal you deserve each other
16ga wads are NOT hard to find either in canada
Hummason as we speak CB0100-16 WAA16 WADS ( 1000 ) $36.95 , as does lawrys in two sizes, sporteque has 16ga BP and CB wads in stock, Bilizor has sp16 etc etc and I have seen a shotgun blow up at the club years ago from reloads and it was not a pretty sight
Also reloading shotgun is not for everyone you guys are proving that and WTF used a Lee manual who uses that any more or ever did back in the day
Like I said buy what is required not what is cheap or kicking around and then see if you can get the rest to reload it but thanks for confirming that id what you did. I figured that
Off the top of my head I will share this the r16 was a 1OZ WAD that didnot do a good job with 1 oz loads so we would keep it to 3/4 or 7/8 they have also not been produced for 20 years which is why they were cheap and you are having issues trying to match them in your modern hulls
To answer your CCI209 issue. They were used for target and light field loads where CCI209M were used for very heavy waterfowl loads and buckshot where slow burning powders were used
They are NOT the same or directly interchangable for the lead reloads we did
Fix the link and read this
http://w ww.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm
Had a good PM this morning from a fellow 16ga reloader here
Hey Joe get with the times man. You are so old school and have to go out and buy the Kellogg manual for reloading the 16ga
It has all the large flake powders for corn and frosted flakes and nice loads with bran buffers and Cheerio and fruit loop wad spacers
They are all tested to make sure your shot guns give you the snap crackle and pop you are looking for LOL
