17 HMR vs .22LR for new shooter

Won't speak to your particular Savages, or Marlins, but the parts diagrams and spares photos on the Anschutz North America site are pretty clear that there are at least two different shoulders on the 64 pin. The smaller front one carries the return spring, the rearmost sure looks to me to be a great place to make the pin stop. I'd be shocked to hear that the Krauts screwed the pooch on that design. Given that there were thousands of them sold all over the place here in Canada, as CIL guns, you'd think that a shortfall like that would be pretty much spoken of, but instead...crickets...

Barring assembly screwups (I have a Ruger pistol that was dry fired after the cross pin fell out of the bolt unnoticed) or replacement parts (or sadly, factory parts) not fitted correctly, it has been my observation that finding a gun that is not safe to dry fire, is the exception, rather than the rule.
 
My Annie 64 Match has a peened Breechface from pin strikes. I bought it slightly used. And I have accidentally dry fired it as well, unfortunately.

My Annie 1416D with double set trigger had serious peening on its breechface. Obviously because it was a floormodel and the salesman even demonstrated how fine it’s trigger was when “set”. The peening was serious but I didn’t know better 32 years ago.

My 1416DKL bought recently from a knowledgeable CGNner, has an absolutely clean breechface.

Perhaps the 54 based actions are safe to dry fire. 64 actions are not.
 
easyrider604 said:
My Annie 64 Match has a peened Breechface from pin strikes. I bought it slightly used. And I have accidentally dry fired it as well, unfortunately.

My Annie 1416D with double set trigger had serious peening on its breechface. Obviously because it was a floormodel and the salesman even demonstrated how fine it’s trigger was when “set”. The peening was serious but I didn’t know better 32 years ago.

My 1416DKL bought recently from a knowledgeable CGNner, has an absolutely clean breechface.

Perhaps the 54 based actions are safe to dry fire. 64 actions are not.
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Have you stripped the bolt and had a go at figuring it out? My nickel says YOUR gun may not be fit to dry fire. I'd bet a buck that it's not been a problem for the majority of owners.
 
easyrider604 said:
Perhaps the 54 based actions are safe to dry fire. 64 actions are not.
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Anschutz makes a special dry firing pin for Match 54 actions in the 18xx, 19xx, and 20xx series of rifles. According to an overseas retailer's website description of the product, the dry firing "Pin is a little shorter that the live firing pin, which means you can dry fire safely without the use of snap caps. This is the pin you need for the single shot match rifles from the 18, 19 & 20 series." There is one available for the 54.30 as well. There is a special adapter for the Fortner action Anschutz rifles that makes it possible to safely dry fire those rifles. Readers should not confuse "Match 54 action" rifles, which are the purpose made "target" rifles, the vast majority of which are single-shot, with the 54 action repeaters. They are not identical.

Although the above strongly implies that Anschutz doesn't recommend dry firing the Match rifles (not the sporter rifles with a 54 action, which is not exactly the same as on the "target" rifles), the sporter 17xx series seems to be different. According to Anschutz, the 1710 and 1712 models do seem to allow for dry firing. Anschutz says of those models that "The one-piece firing pin has a defined end stop area to prevent damage from dry firing." (See h t t p s://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?menu=514&sprache=1 )

I don't make it a practice to dry fire on purpose. If I was a target shooter wishing to practice trigger control with an Anschutz match rifle, I would use the dry firing pin or the adapter if it was a Fortner action rifle. I have a 1710, but I won't dry fire it on purpose, despite the ostensible okay from the manufacturer. I can't see worthwhile benefit from doing so with a sporter configuration rifle.
 
trevj said:
Have you stripped the bolt and had a go at figuring it out? My nickel says YOUR gun may not be fit to dry fire. I'd bet a buck that it's not been a problem for the majority of owners.
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My 64 Match and the 1416D double set trigger both do not have the firing pin stop. BTW, I sold the 1416D a long time ago.

I haven't checked the 1416DKL yet.
 
My Vote 22lr. You can shoot a 22 all day. Where as the 17's start to needing to be cleaned after 15-20 rounds. 22 good variety of ammo from cheap to match grade
 
For bench shooting, 22lr. Due to availability/price of match grade ammo, and far cheaper ammo for plinking.

From everything I've read, savage HMR barrels apear to be the ones developing copper issues after 25 rounds (as read on a few threads on RFC and accurate shooter). CZs apparently don't copper up nearly as bad, mine included.
Wish someone made 17hmr match ammo, but I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap.
 
go for the 22.. I have a 17 and love it.. but shoot it maybe 50 to a 100 rds a year. The 22s I can shoot off my picnic table up at the trailer and go thru thousands a year.
Plus 22s present a more varied selection of action types and styles.. 17 is generally traditional style stocked bolt guns, a couple semis and a couple lever action offerings
 
Ammo price was a huge part in why i picked up my 22lr's. A 17HMR and even the 22 magnums are just cost prohibitive in my mind. As has been said the 22lr is just cheap to shoot. 10 bucks for 100 shots or 10 bucks for 20-25 rounds...4x more fun to be had with the 22lr.
 
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