Wait Hoyt...remember? This new round was supposed to be the same price (or less) than HMR! lol Doubted that one from the start, but I'm curious about the mag too. Hot new round in a sporter barrel? Maybe Savage had some lightweight .17 blanks around...wonder if there will be iron sights on it?
.17 Super Magnum
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Wait Hoyt...remember? This new round was supposed to be the same price (or less) than HMR! lol Doubted that one from the start, but I'm curious about the mag too. Hot new round in a sporter barrel? Maybe Savage had some lightweight .17 blanks around...wonder if there will be iron sights on it?
Given the case width of the .27 nailers, an eight shot rotary mag is an engineering feat! And they put all that R&D into a $375 gun... if this proves to be true, I'll eat my shorts... bookmark this and you can quote me on it later!
I can see how this cartridge might fill a niche for those who don't reload and want a more capable varmint cartridge than the .22LR or .17 HMR. The ammunition will still be less expensive than factory .223.
That said, there are already more economical options for those of us who do reload.
That said, there are already more economical options for those of us who do reload.
The above quoted price is $21/50 for the 17 WSM, Winny White Box .223 is $21/40... so let's break that down;
The new 17 WSM costs 42 cents per round or roughly 10.5 cents for every 100 ft/lb's.
.223 Rem costs 52.5 cents per round or roughly 4 cents for every 100 ft/lb's.
So, this is a goofy way to look at it, but with .223 you are getting 2.5X the performance for your dollar... and that is off the rack at your local Crappy Tire. Perhaps a better way to look at it is that the .223 is a legitimate predator gun, which (in fast twist barrels with heavier bullets) can also step up to the next level of game.
Given the case width of the .27 nailers, an eight shot rotary mag is an engineering feat! And they put all that R&D into a $375 gun... if this proves to be true, I'll eat my shorts... bookmark this and you can quote me on it later!
Is it possible they copied the design off the t-bolts 10 shot magazine for their 17HMR?
How accurate is the Winchester White box 223 ammo?
I wanted to build a gopher gun (that used cheap 223 ammo since I can't reload anymore) but was told that the white box ammo was crap, suitable for AR CQB and plinking but not sub-MOA varmint capable.
The 17HMR ammo has proven quite accurate, no reason to believe that his new round will be any different. The V-Max bullets work great on gophers, much better than old generation hollow points.
If the new round gets me just a little farther than the HMR then that's all I want.
I wanted to build a gopher gun (that used cheap 223 ammo since I can't reload anymore) but was told that the white box ammo was crap, suitable for AR CQB and plinking but not sub-MOA varmint capable.
The 17HMR ammo has proven quite accurate, no reason to believe that his new round will be any different. The V-Max bullets work great on gophers, much better than old generation hollow points.
If the new round gets me just a little farther than the HMR then that's all I want.
Who told you the White Box .223 is crap? I use it to fire form to AI and it still shoots to 2 MOA in the over sized chamber... In my regular .223 Rem barrels it easily shoots MOA or better... to me you are WAY further ahead with a .223 over the new 17 WSM, especially if you reload, but even if you don't.
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In the US at Dicks Sporting goods the TULA .223 is often on sale for $6/20 rounds, and the better stuff like Federal is similar when bought in bulk crates.
At these prices I wouldn't even consider this round as I can reload .223, but if the US is the market they are after they are going nowhere with those ammo prices.
At these prices I wouldn't even consider this round as I can reload .223, but if the US is the market they are after they are going nowhere with those ammo prices.
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- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Better, but not by much............
fill a niche? You forgot about the .22 magnum if I was varment hunting I'd rather have 40 grain projectiles than 17 or 20 grainers. The .17 super mag only has 75 ft lbs more power than the .22 mag. Now if they had of made a .22, .25,or .32 super magnum I'd be excited.
Good luck in seeing cheap .223 prices in the future in the US or Canada at least for half a year until this crazyness dies down. Anyway I think the biggest problem with 17 WSM will be keeping the guns and ammo in stock. Unlike many people who have very specific opinions one way or the other on new products I have to put my money where my mouth is. If it flies I will make money...if it dossn't then there will be a big sale to onload what didn't sell. Phil.
Regardless of the opinions of us cheapskate reloaders, there are gonna be a bunch of folks that buy them. And ammo.
Me, I'll swing by any chance I get and buy some more reloading supplies!
If it DOES turn into an orphan, then I would like that some of the makers of some 'nicer' firearm would have got on board, and that there be some engineering thought towards what to do with the rifles when the ammo is not available, or is untenable from a price perspective. Case in point being the 5mm Remington, that was built on a pretty solid rear locking lug bolt action, proofed to stupid levels for a rimfire (reputedly proofed to deal with 60K Psi +), which was found to be a very good base action to build small center fire rifles upon.
A bit of a stretch to hope for, as Winchester is gambling that this will fly. But that is how I see this one over the longer term.
I'd rather risk it, buying a rifle in that caliber, that I could have some comfort knowing that there was a future use for it, should the ammo vanish from the marketplace. A Win Low Wall, like the one shown at the beginning of this thread, that can be rebarreled to almost any other cartrige, as an example.
But that's just me, and a bunch of other reloaders, from the sounds of things.
How hard to remove and replace the barrel on one of them Savages? I figure the odds are good that the firing pin location is close enough to correct for a .22WMR or HMR case, if it came down to it, down the road. 'Cause if I were to walk in there and see them marked down the way I have seen some of the other clearance stuff marked down, yeah, I'd buy one as a project. (Like I need any more of those!)
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Trev
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Hopefully id preformes better then winchester hmr ammo in savage 93 rifles. Lots of ftf, fte and blown cases
hometownhero
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Ya its a savage/winchester combo fail. No other ammo is a problem just winchester in the savages
