17 WSM - Savage B Mag

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Id like to hear some thoughts from others on their new Savage b mag in .17wsm. I Took mine out to the range today and was very disappointed. 4-5" groups at best from 100 yard, plus one or two super bad flyers (10 round groups). The rotary magazine is a pile of junk to reload. The bolt is hard as heck to #### down making it basically impossible to do a follow up shot. Also sometimes the round gets jammed when chambering. No problems ejecting. No ammo duds. Trigger is ok, Tested the trigger pull at 4.5lbs from factory and can be adjusted to 2.5.

I hope to see some new 17wsm rifles come out soon. Hopefully CCI and hornady make some better ammo.
 
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my savage 17hmr is killer accurate. 10 shot 1" groups or better if im on my game that day from 100 yards. I think its a combination of the ammo and the rifle. I sure dont like the ####-on-close bolt on the b mag...
 
Lots about this on rimfire central. Savage is blaming the ammo and winchester is blaming the gun. Do some reading over there and see for yourself. Many guns are being sent back to salvage. The ammo comes form the winchester nail gun charges so doubtful you will see other makers on this.
 
i posted in another thread here.... I took mine out twice, first time in horrible wind. got it sighted in. second time out, not too good conditions, but wanted to make sure it was close to sighted in. I shot seven shots. 4 were within 1.5", and three went through pretty much the same hole. This was out of the cab of my truck, using the window as my rest, at 100y. That shows alot of promise, IMO.....
 
savage = garbage
That's a little harsh.

My Savage Bmag just arrived on the 24th so it was under the tree yesterday along with a few boxes of the 20gr loads. I cleaned it, installed a Leupold M8 4x in some Weaver tip-off rings I had kicking around today, so I'm getting kind of anxious to take it for a spin. The stock seems kind of cheesy and yes, the #### on close bolt is stiff but might improve with some use. The 8rd. mag was easy to load and unload so no problems there. Hopefully it turns out to be one of the out-of-the-box accurate ones.
 
What I have to wonder is whether or not a company like CZ is thinking "hmmmm....maybe we WON'T make a rifle chambered in 17WSM until this gets sorted out". Since Savage rimfires seems to have taken a bit of a nose dive in terms of QC, and no Winchester ammo has ever shot worth a damn in my guns, I'm quite content to watch from the sidelines until I start seeing consistently good reports.
 
If that's the case, mind explaining why they have such a great reputation for selling low priced firearms that are just as, or in many cases, more accurate than firearms costing twice as much?

That will change if you start reading the fourms in the USA that have had the B-mag for a while. Most are being returned to Savage because of accuracy problems among other things.
I am a Savage believer and have three centerfires and three rimfires but the 17WSM is going to haunt them. JMHO
 
That will change if you start reading the fourms in the USA that have had the B-mag for a while. Most are being returned to Savage because of accuracy problems among other things.
I am a Savage believer and have three centerfires and three rimfires but the 17WSM is going to haunt them. JMHO

Well said. Whether it's a Savage issue, or a Winchester ammo issue, it's a bit of a black mark on Savage's reputation. Or at least, it seems like there is a good chance it will be.
 
A "revolutionary" cartridge and a cheap ass pile of recycled plastic for a rifle wtf was savage thinking. If you want a "game changer" then come out with a rifle that isn't a pile of sh...... Build a good rifle so what if it costs $400-600 look how well cz's sell here and especially in the usa for that price. Its a big fail all around on this one.
 
Well, I was literally coming over to this forum for just this type of thread. I just picked up my new BMAG yesterday. I bought three boxes of 25gr to go along with it. Would have loved to try the 20gr stuff as well, but they were sold out. First impressions: I don't like the stock, it seems like the aborted fetus of an axis stock, The magazine appears poorly constructed, somewhat finicky to feed. Trigger is great, but bolt just sucks. Its possible to turn the bolt down before it is fully in place, causing a very odd feeling (think stepping for a stair that's not there) This rifle feels like a 300 dollar rifle.

Get it home for a clean and inspection. Couple positive notes: the barrel is fully floated. It is a nice lightweight rifle to swing around. The trigger is setting off nicely at a cool 2.75lbs, has properly squared mounts that came with the rifle. Test fed the ammo, mag works flawlessly, fed and ejected with perfection, not a single hiccup to report, was a very positive click in to secure it in the mag-well. Still don't like the bolt design, but it can be practised for better results. It does feel stiff however, especially compared to the silky feeling of the 93 rim fire platform.

Gave it a quick sweep and headed out to the field with a Tasco 6-24 varmint on it. First couple rounds were from 25 yards to make sure I was on paper, they were about .6 group (free hand), next 5 from 50, 2 to adjust and 3 to get a "starter group" sitting around the .75 mark off the truck window for a quick rest. Next to the 100 mark, first string of three was about 1.5" group, followed by a 1.25, then back to a 1.5. not awful I suppose, but was hoping for a 1" or less. Did some plinking past the standard EE round count of 50, at various ranges out to 225 yards (small 2.75"x8" swinging gong) and a couple pokes out to my 400 yard gong and was able to make a hit after two follow up shots (hold over) went to shooting for a group now, had one touch the 1" mark and rest around the 1.5ish mark.

Let me say, it hit my mini gong with boring accuracy and it is certainly a chip-shot for a 100 yard zero to just point a click out to 225 yards with minimal effort and have a guaranteed kill on a gopher sized animal. The difference in impact is certainly noticeable from the marks on it compared to my 22mag and 17hmr marks on the plate. I then decided to do the old water jug test. One at 50 yards, one at 100 and one at 265. (milk jugs) the one at 50 was almost as good as a 22-250 hitting a bottle. the 100 yard split it 4 ways and burst, the one at 265 split in three and immediately emptied out after flipping over.

This would certainly be capable out to 200 yards on a coyote with the appropriate shot being taken, likely out to 300 even as far as power is concerned, don't know if I would push it that far, but likely would be "enough" (cue ethics committee) certainly an excellent fur-saver and it technically accurate enough to get the job done.

Overall, I found the accuracy to lead me to believe it may be capable of better, I wont sell it just yet, really want to try the 20gr stuff.... I think its a decent value with a great power range for the dollar. I look forward to getting to know it a little better and will see if I cant rein in the groups a little more.
 
i posted in another thread here.... I took mine out twice, first time in horrible wind. got it sighted in. second time out, not too good conditions, but wanted to make sure it was close to sighted in. I shot seven shots. 4 were within 1.5", and three went through pretty much the same hole. This was out of the cab of my truck, using the window as my rest, at 100y. That shows alot of promise, IMO.....


LOL, you made me laugh. A loaded firearm in a vehicle and discharging from a vehicle. I'm glad yours seems to be a shooter, I want one of these as soon as the manufacturers get the guns and ammo working together.
 
Savage says if it shoots 1.5" its out the door. Can it do better? maybe

I think it will be capable, I am hoping it is. I am thinking when I clean the barrel properly, possibly even bed it and mess with the action torque settings it may have a hope. I was even thinking of weighing out ammo like I did for an SKS I had that shot stupidly well (for an SKS 1.5-1.75) may help when I feel like being picky. I also find hat as I build a bit of a copper bearing surface, it will often get a little better accuracy as well.

I wont say I am overly impressed, but the rifle is doing ok for now and certainly better then many are saying its capable of. I have even seen a few reports out there of sub .5's so someones is working well for them and we are all using the same ammo.....
 
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