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That's in the back of my mind. I just want to try as many easily reversible or easily/cheaply replaceable things first.

I'm all set up and ready to restrict the gas bleed off. If no results I'll look into doing something with the springs. Both these tests will cost me little more than just time.

If I do anything to the BCG and f it up who knows how long I'll have to wait for a new one or how much it will cost me. It's not off my radar to lighten the bcg but I want to try everything else that's next to free to do first.

Driving me nuts because I have time today to work on this but can't get out for more testing because it's pouring rain... grrrr.....

I would just order another set of recoil springs and cut a coil off each one at a time. Base line or not, it doesn't work and you've given it as much gas as you can so now you need to reduce the recoil side, I would not lighten the carrier as it shouldn't be needed and will be an expensive replacement if you ever decide to go back to 223.

The piston bleed ports are there to release the pressure once the piston has moved far enough to unlock the bolt and the momentum of the carrier should provide the energy to complete the cycle. If the gas port has opened up and it's almost working I would just balance the system by softening the recoil side of the equation.


With reference to experimenting with gas port diameters...
When I made my first AR (.223) barrel from a blank, I researched gas port diameters. Various sizes depending on location and barrel wall thickness. So I carefully drilled a properly indexed but undersized gas port, and went to the range with a set of numbered drills and a battery operated drill. Just kept opening the port one step at a time until function was perfect. Of course a piston gun is different than a ducted gas gun, but determining an optimum size for a gas port can be done by trial and error.

That is exactly how I did it when building my NR 300BO conversion for my ACR. I got lucky and the factory gas block easily flowed enough gas to do the job so it was just a matter of testing then adjusting till it cycled well with my loads.
18.6 inch barrel, carbine length gas system, works perfectly.
The 180 should easily be able to run as 300BO, just need to do a experimenting. I'd actually like to see how my ACR 300BO barrel works in a 180C, from the sounds of it my barrel would make for an undergassed system.
Jiffx, I'll try to remember to measure my gas port, prob doesn't mean anything since the gas systems are not the same other than both being piston operated. Pretty sure it will be smaller than the same barrel that was built for an AR since the ACR gas system is much more efficient than an AR gas system, you have to open up the gas port on an ACR factory barrel to be able to run it in an ACR.

Glad someone is tackling this project, it was going to be my next gun project if I got talked into a 180C.
 
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You're on the right track with your thinking here. Every action needs a counter action and both actions have to be equal to balance it out.

Not really much different in theory than balancing out the system in an AR with various springs and buffers. Only thing is these options for an AR are available and endless.

I'm pretty much limited to working with the factory springs on the 180 unless I get lucky enough to find something compatible from Wolfe or somewhere.

Try contacting Acklands, we have some springs in the supply bin at work that looked a lot like the springs in the 180, they may have more options available.
I'll try to remember to pull out my 180B tonight and compare them, if they're the same I'll PM you and can send them to you.
 
I would just order another set of recoil springs and cut a coil off each one at a time. Base line or not, it doesn't work and you've given it as much gas as you can so now you need to reduce the recoil side, I would not lighten the carrier as it shouldn't be needed and will be an expensive replacement if you ever decide to go back to 223.

The piston bleed ports are there to release the pressure once the piston has moved far enough to unlock the bolt and the momentum of the carrier should provide the energy to complete the cycle. If the gas port has opened up and it's almost working I would just balance the system by softening the recoil side of the equation.




That is exactly how I did it when building my NR 300BO conversion for my ACR. I got lucky and the factory gas block easily flowed enough gas to do the job so it was just a matter of testing then adjusting till it cycled well with my loads.
18.6 inch barrel, carbine length gas system, works perfectly.
The 180 should easily be able to run as 300BO, just need to do a experimenting. I'd actually like to see how my ACR 300BO barrel works in a 180C, from the sounds of it my barrel would make for an undergassed system.
Jiffx, I'll try to remember to measure my gas port, prob doesn't mean anything since the gas systems are not the same other than both being piston operated. Pretty sure it will be smaller than the same barrel that was built for an AR since the ACR gas system is much more efficient than an AR gas system, you have to open up the gas port on an ACR factory barrel to be able to run it in an ACR.

Glad someone is tackling this project, it was going to be my next gun project if I got talked into a 180C.

What gas port diameter did you end up with on your ACR conversion? I just received a pre-production sample of a match 18.6 stainless barrel, with carbine gas for use on the WK180, but I imagine it very well might function on the ACR as well, with a similar .300blk barrel in the works, again for the use on the WK180


Looking forward to seeing what you come up with @jiffx, interesting little project you've got going on.
 
What gas port diameter did you end up with on your ACR conversion? I just received a pre-production sample of a match 18.6 stainless barrel, with carbine gas for use on the WK180, but I imagine it very well might function on the ACR as well, with a similar .300blk barrel in the works, again for the use on the WK180


Looking forward to seeing what you come up with @jiffx, interesting little project you've got going on.

The ACR piston is larger making it more effective than the WK180 piston so the gas port size probably won't mean anything going from one platform to the other.

Your pre-production stainless barrel is in 223 or 300BO?
 
The ACR piston is larger making it more effective than the WK180 piston so the gas port size probably won't mean anything going from one platform to the other.

Your pre-production stainless barrel is in 223 or 300BO?

.223/5.56 it's a heavier profile barrel. For the .300blk I want a much lighter unit, idea being lightweight hunting inside 150yards with supersonics/subsonics.
 
.223/5.56 it's a heavier profile barrel. For the .300blk I want a much lighter unit, idea being lightweight hunting inside 150yards with supersonics/subsonics.

Sounds good.

If you want to branch out to ACR barrels as well let me know, I have non restricted length stainless 223 and 300BLK barrels for mine and can share port specs if you'd like.

I really should shoot a deer with one of my 300BLK rifles, been shooting and handloading the cartridge for around 5 years and have never bothered to hunt with it.
First world problems, I have too many other rifles that are better for big game.
 
Damn, this is a cool thread. Nice to see people playing with their WK180s - can't wait to get mine.
How long overall did this take you? I saw your steps overall but I've never done this before.

Cheers!
 
now the real interesting idea would be to cast the bolt carrier out of a lighter material than the stock bolt carrier.

If it's never going back to 223 could just pick some good places to drill some lightening holes. Kinda skeletonize it.
Momentum may not be a bad thing though if it's not getting enough of a kick from the op rod.
I would keep chasing lighter springs before doing stuff that can't be undone.
After that I'd talk to Kodiak about a gas system with a larger diameter piston that would get more energy from the available gas. If they have no interest I'd talk to RWA who mentioned earlier that they would build custom length gas systems once they had the time. Maybe they could enlarge the piston as well.
 
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