1858 remington Remy Armory Conversion to 44 Rem/Colt C.F

[starpuss]

i have a cylinder. and want to know what it is Worth ,

i was told this is REAL Rare and like GOLD

video of the cylinder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSCWfn5HrEc

what it would look like installed on the gun. (not my pic one i got off google)


looks to need a new / mod done to the hammer.

Also whats up with that plate steel on the back of the the frame where the cylinder go/s in? is that part of the mod?

 

[Sharps '63]

.44 cylinder

Starpuss

I've got a consecutively #d pair of Taylor's Uberti-made '58 conversions in 44-40 as well as a Pietta/Kirst 5 shot conversion in .45 Colt.

The gun in your pic looks like it might be a gunsmith conversion, rather than a Remington factory conversion to cartridge. This was common practice in the era.
The steel plate you are referring to is most likely part of the conversion to retain the cartidges. Most often there was some form of ejector mechanism as part of the conversion, attached to the barrel or frame.

Since the bore diameter of a .44 cap & ball is .451 (at least the current repros), it is unlikely that your cylinder is in a .44 calibre. Have you miked the chambers? My 44-40s cannot be retrofitted to cap & ball due to ball diameter and the larger frame, cylinder, etc. See my comment below .....

My Pietta/Kirst .44/.45 Colt conversion can be retrofitted to .44 cap & ball by simply removing the .45 Colt cylinder and ejector rod assembly and dropping in the .44 cap & ball cylinder and original cylinder arbor.

I talked to Jay Strite of Kirst and he told me that my Taylor's Uberti 44-40s are just a couple of short steps away from a patent infringement law suit if it were not for some differences.

In any case - I really like both conversions. Very accurate and they don't fall apart or shoot loose like the Open Top "wedgie" Colts. ;>)

 

[QM 8687]

I am interested in getting a Kirst cylinder 44 Remington (they call it) for my relic 1858 Remington, I got 44 special dies never used too. Unsure about cutting a loading port in frame, once done there will be no going back.
Any opinions?

 

[t-star]

I am interested in getting a Kirst cylinder 44 Remington (they call it) for my relic 1858 Remington, I got 44 special dies never used too. Unsure about cutting a loading port in frame, once done there will be no going back.
Any opinions?

it doesn't work like that- the kirst uses a 2 piece cylinder and you "pull pin" to recharge- i.e. you pull the base pin out, remove the cylinder from the gun, take the cylinder apart, put in your rounds, put the cylinder back together and put the recharged cylinder back in the gun, and then push the base pin back in- ie it's just like changing cylinders on a bp gun- but the PRICE they want for these things imported will make you SERIOUSLY look at getting a used CARTRIDGE gun- even then these are for COWBOY OR LOW PRESSURE LOADS ONLY- it says so on their site

 

[cyclone]

On a side-note , isn't it "amazing" how so many (if not all) of the firearms in 3:10 to Yuma were the unitary-cartridge-converted versions of those fine revolvers ?...