1860 Army Kirst cylinder update

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For those interested,about 6 months or so I decided I wanted to be able to shoot 45 colt smokeless powder ammo out of 1860 Army.
Since it’s only a replica and I can’t buy a SAA replica anymore,I figured what heck.
So it finally arrived back today .
Really neat job done on it.
 

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Hello
For those interested,about 6 months or so I decided I wanted to be able to shoot 45 colt smokeless powder ammo out of 1860 Army.
Since it’s only a replica and I can’t buy a SAA replica anymore,I figured what heck.
So it finally arrived back today .
Really neat job done on it.
Did you send the pistol off to get it fitted, or did it just take that long to get here? I have a few BP revolvers I've been thinking about converting. - dan
 
OP can answer that question about his revolver.
I've dealt with Kirst in the past. They ship very quickly. Their products are beautifully machined.
Given the freeze, if you have an Uberti or Pietta percussion revolver, setting it up to use cartridges is almost as good as buying a new gun...
Keep in mind that in order to load via the loading gate in the breech ring, it is necessary to alter the frame. This is not unsightly, is not difficult, and does not preclude the use of the revolver in cap and ball configuration.
Something else to consider... If your revolver is a .36 and you want to use .38 cartridges, the bore is the wrong size. It will have a groove diameter of about .375. There are options. Load hollow based wadcutter bullets.; the hollow base will expand. Load with heeled bullets. Install a barrel liner with a bore suitable for .358" bullets. For .45 conversions, choices are .45ACP, .45 Schofield or .45Colt.
The Colt type revolvers have two basic frame patterns. .44 revolvers used a rebated cylinder. The front end of the cylinder is larger in diameter to allow for the larger caliber without going to a full length larger diameter cylinder, like the Dragoons have. A frame cut for a rebated cylinder can be set up in either .45 or .38 cartridge. If the frame is not cut for a rebated cylinder, only .38 is possible. .44 and .36 barrels fit the same frame. The .36 cylinder is shorter, the breech end of the barrel extends rearward to suit. .44 cylinder is longer, and the breech end of the barrel does not extend rearward as far. To maximize cylinder wall thickness and avoid problems with the locking notches in the cylinder, .45 cylinders are only 5 shot.
The Kirst cylinders have a little divot drilled in the web between the chambers. When the hammer is lowered, the firing will engage this divot. This is intended to keep the cylinder from revolving so that a primer does not end up with the firing pin resting on it. Same idea as the pins in a Colt percussion cylinder engaging the notch in the hammer face. Like all early single actions, the safest way to carry one loaded is with the hammer down on an empty chamber.
The same breech ring is used with all cylinders. If you want .45Colt and .45ACP, you can get one ring and cylinder and add a second cylinder later. Or, if you start with a .45ACP, you can get a .38 cylinder and a new barrel and use the original breech ring. Etc.
My experience is with Pietta. Parts interchangeability is quite remarkable. Different cylinders, barrels fit a frame.
The Kirst website explains the options.
 
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Did you send the pistol off to get it fitted, or did it just take that long to get here? I have a few BP revolvers I've been thinking about converting. - dan
Most of the wait period was at the gun smith.
It took about 3 weeks to get the cylinder from Kirst.
You just have to order the correct cylinder and the hand is included.
 
The new hand makes a difference with.45 conversions. The cylinder has to rotate further in .45 cartridge than when configured in .44 percussion.
Kirst also has videos explaining installations. Worth watching.
These things are not inexpensive and the dollar exchange rate doesn't help. But these are quality products.
 
The new hand makes a difference with.45 conversions. The cylinder has to rotate further in .45 cartridge than when configured in .44 percussion.
Kirst also has videos explaining installations. Worth watching.
These things are not inexpensive and the dollar exchange rate doesn't help. But these are quality products.
Yes, the fit and finish is perfect, if you didn’t know the difference you’d think it came from the factory in this configuration.
If I recall correctly, I’m probably 7 or 8 hundred into it
 
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