1871 Remington Rolling Block Pistol in 410 shot.

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i am now looking at making this gun into a 410 shot gun. Or slug gun.

I think the 410 should be fine. Seeing they have the Granular Filler/Polymer Wad,(shot buffer) to keep the "kick low".

I shot a 410 pistol last month and it kicked a less then the 50cal rem loads that I shot.

would also be cool to shoot the Saiga 410/70 slug out of it :)

also if you know some one that would be willing to make the barrel for me let me know. (ill pay good $$$$)
 
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starpuss said:
i am now looking at making this gun into a 410 shot gun. Or slug gun.

I think the 410 should be fine. Seeing they have the Granular Filler/Polymer Wad,(shot buffer) to keep the "kick low".

I shot a 410 pistol last month and it kicked a less then the 50cal rem loads that I shot.

would also be cool to shoot the Saiga 410/70 slug out of it :)

also if you know some one that would be willing to make the barrel for me let me know. (ill pay good $$$$)
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Id be carefull there Starpuss 45 colt will chamber in a 410
I have my rolling block pistol set up in 50 70 and you can really reach out and touch stuff :)

You can load shot loads to, tho mine has a rifled 10 inch barrel.
I shoot 50 cal rd balls with full pyrodex loads it rattles your fillings loose and hurts your hands. shoots 2 inch groups at 50 yds off a bench rest.
thats the only thing i will use pyrodex in as its a single shot and it dont gum all up like a revolver.
 
dingus said:
Id be carefull there Starpuss 45 colt will chamber in a 410
I have my rolling block pistol set up in 50 70 and you can really reach out and touch stuff :)

You can load shot loads to, tho mine has a rifled 10 inch barrel.
I shoot 50 cal rd balls with full pyrodex loads it rattles your fillings loose and hurts your hands. shoots 2 inch groups at 50 yds off a bench rest.
thats the only thing i will use pyrodex in as its a single shot and it dont gum all up like a revolver.
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where did you get your barrel made?
 
starpuss said:
where did you get your barrel made?
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A freind whos a machineist made it from a 50 70 Remy rolling block rifle barrel he had.
Its a mint bored barrel and chamber to.
Look for a 50 70 Remy rolling block barrel.
You could ream the one you got to 50 70 if you just buy a reamer from brownells.
Ya might have to take the barrel out, also i found i had to file one spot on my 50 70 case rims to be able to chamber them as there quite long eh.
Removeing a little metal off the block would be better then ya dont need to touch any of your cases.
 
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Whatever calibre you choose, remember to maintain antique status.
As far as fitting a barrel to a RB action, the cost is likely going to be significant. You have square threads, and extractor cuts, as well as chambering with a reamer that the 'smith may not already have. It won't be cheap, but if it is worth it to you, then the cost will be reasonable.
 
410's are a no go for antique status.

Shotguns:

* manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;
* manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, or 410 gauge cartridges

If I were looking to make an RB pistol into a shot pistol, I'd look at a 50 cal smoothbore barrel, reamed to take a 50-110 shell. At 2.4 inches long, it would be able to hold a decent shot charge, slightly more than a 2.5" .410.

Just my opinion though.

J
 
achtanelion said:
410's are a no go for antique status.

Shotguns:

* manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;
* manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, or 410 gauge cartridges

If I were looking to make an RB pistol into a shot pistol, I'd look at a 50 cal smoothbore barrel, reamed to take a 50-110 shell. At 2.4 inches long, it would be able to hold a decent shot charge, slightly more than a 2.5" .410.

Just my opinion though.

J
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it still should be antique. it;s not going to be a "shotgun" it's a handgun
 
Be careful.
Everyone has an opinion, the opinion of the RCMP techs is what could make things interesting. Is a short barrelled gun without a buttstock chambered for a modern shotgun cartridge a pistol or a shotgun without a buttstock?
You could:
-ask, or
-go ahead with .410 without asking, or
-go with a smoothbore .45-70, etc.
 
tiriaq said:
Be careful.
Everyone has an opinion, the opinion of the RCMP techs is what could make things interesting. Is a short barrelled gun without a buttstock chambered for a modern shotgun cartridge a pistol or a shotgun without a buttstock?
You could:
-ask, or
-go ahead with .410 without asking, or
-go with a smoothbore .45-70, etc.
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If it's a hangun, then it's modified and will now chamber .45 colt and as such is restricted, not antique. If it's a shotgun, it's in .410 and as such is prohibited, not antique.
CC 84(1)

“prohibited firearm” means

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
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If you're looking for something that's a shotgun gauge, magtech makes brass shells in 32 and 28 gauge, both of which would retain antique status.

HTH,

J
 
Interpretations are important, and the RCMP interpretation is the most important one.
Personally, I do not think that .45 Colt coincidentally chambering in a .410 shotgun barrel would be an issue. But if push comes to shove my opinion ain't worth squat. Personally, I would go with a calibre that would unequivocally confer antique status.
From the standpoint of reamer and brass availability, .45-70 or .444 Marlin would be easy.
 
tiriaq said:
Interpretations are important, and the RCMP interpretation is the most important one.
Personally, I do not think that .45 Colt coincidentally chambering in a .410 shotgun barrel would be an issue. But if push comes to shove my opinion ain't worth squat. Personally, I would go with a calibre that would unequivocally confer antique status.
From the standpoint of reamer and brass availability, .45-70 or .444 Marlin would be easy.
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I agree. go with something thats for sure not gona cause you problems.
your gona get a new barrel anyway.
I have a Rolling block pistol in 50 70 it can do pretty much anything a 410 can do depending on how its loaded.

As for Shotguns dont forget the 14 Ga. I have a RCMP Antique Lettered SXS 14 ga shotgun its a english hammer gun with short barrels.
I had to get the 14 ga headstamped brass custom made in the USA for the gun but its gona be worth the troble. ;)
 
Try your antique letter for .44 shot. You can make the cases from .303 british brass and it should be an easy pass for antique status. Of course most of the .44 shotguns I've seen shoot 2.5" .410 shells just fine.......
 
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