1886 Steyr Kropatschek: Info request.

Dan308

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A friend of mine recently gave to me two of these rifles. Although I am no expert in this area, both rifles appear to be in absolutely superb condition, no splits or chips out of the wood, although both appear to have obvious battle scars throughout the wood. One of them has the handgard above the barrel, one does not. Both have bayonets which are also in excellent condition.
I told my buddy that I would inquire into their potential value and if anyone may be interested in giving them a good home.
If someone is interested I could upload some photos as well.
Any info on these rifles would be greatly appreciated.
 
There is one in the ee right now for $350. One sold a couple of weeks ago for $250 sans bayo. If you advertise one for $150 it would probably sell in ten seconds (I know, I would buy it unless someone else got there first). You can find some info on them at carbinesforcollectors.com or do a web search, you will get lots of hits.
 
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Hey thanks for the info. If all they are worth is in the 150-250ish range I may just hold onto them. I guess I will see what kind of feedback I end up with.
 
Some are worth more, it all depends on who has a hole in their collection they want to fill. Eg most of those things are missing the handguard & to the right person the hanguard might be worth more than the rifle. Decide what you want & place an ad in the ee if its too high you might get some offers, if not hang on to them. Better yet, shoot them! Its a pain to make ammo but you do get some stares at the range.
 
Stevo: I am interested in getting some info & selling these. EE's not the place for that?? A couple of days ago I mentioned on a forum that I was looking for any info on these rifles and that I had a couple for sale and they sent me packin to EE because I mentioned "sale."
 
That's not a bad plan. Maybe I'd finally almost fit into the Cowboy Action shoots with these. Apparantly .348 Win brass works well and RCBS makes dies—it might be easier to find 1890 Portuguese milsurp 8x60 though:)
 
Dan308 said:
Stevo: I am interested in getting some info & selling these. EE's not the place for that?? A couple of days ago I mentioned on a forum that I was looking for any info on these rifles and that I had a couple for sale and they sent me packin to EE because I mentioned "sale."

Dan,
If you're looking for info, the EE's not the place to post.

If you're actually selling something, that's where they have to be. You can't post stuff for sale there without prices either.
 
DAn308: The Steyr made 1886 Kropatschek is one of the best if not the best tube magazine military bolt rifle ever made. It was rapidly becoming obsolete when it was manufactured but it is a fine rifle none-the-less. Originally chambered for the longer 8 x 60R cartridge ( using black powder ) the rifle later used the smokeless loaded 8 x56R cartridge-there was no change in the chamber dimensions. Shootable surplus ammunition is problematical, much of what is offered is unrelaible and often has split necks. I have owned three of these weapons and found them to be very accurate rifles with very smooth bolt actions. They were basically made in three lengths; infantry ( with two versions there, one with a handguard, often called a colonial pattern ) and the other without. Then there is the " short rifle " that was apparently issued to treasury troops in Portugal and finally the cavalry carbine. Value is based on condition of course as well as which type is it and do the serial numbers match. Matching numbers are a plus of course. These rifles were withdrawn from service in the early sixties. Ammunition is easily made from Winchester .348 brass run through a full length resizing die and the rim given a chamfer to allow it to properly fit the dished bolt face. The bores actually run about .328-.330 in many of these. I use a conventional round nosed Hornady .323 weighing 170 grains ahead of 22 grains of IMR4759. A nice light and accurate loading that bumps the .323 bullet nicely to take the rifling. Since the rifle only locks the bolt on the bridge/bolt handle root you do have to exercise care in reloading to control pressures but this rifle/short rifle/carbine is well worth the effort. I chamfer my brass on a lathe using a 30 degree cut. My dies are made by CH4D company and cost me $70.00. Other folks have used the 8 x50R Lebel sizing die and just size the neck down on the .348 Winchester. I would suggest annealing the brass before sizing as it sure lasts longer. I paid $325.00 for my rifle which was in nice shape with partially matching numbers. I have seen standard rifles going for about $450.00 to $600.00 USD on average with some exceptions and the bayonets usually going for around $100.00 or more. Steyr made approximately 70,000 of all types of the 1886 Kropatschek based on what information I have been able to gather. Alls I know is that it is hice old surplus rifle to shoot! Best regards, Joe
 
Thanks for the info. The more I hear the more I'd like to keep them but I'm not much of an old rifle collector to pay him what they are worth to keep them here.
I will pass this on and see what he would like me to do. I will note this thread if he asks me to list them right away in EE.

cheers.
 
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