1893 erfurt 7.65

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Hello everyone.

A friend has asked me to find out some info about his Dad's old rifle (WWI, I believe).

Any thoughts about the history/value/origin etc. would be greatly appreciated.

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7.65 would probably put the caliber as 7.65 Argentinian. She also looks like a Kar 88 but one made for the South American markets. Kar88s did not normally have a finger groove cut into the side of the stock.

Have any close ups of the receiver and the left side or right side of the nose cap ? Be interesting to see if she was a German issued Kar 88 converted to 7.65 and sold as surplus.
 
Here's one I found. While yours is in 7.65, this one below is in 8mm. But you can see the different stock design.

Kar. 88 Commission Carbine in 8 mm. Manufactured at Erfurt in 1893.

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I'll see what other photos I can post up here that might add to the conversation. The rifle came home with my friends father after WWI, he doesn't know anymore about its origin.

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Be really interesting to know where the man served..... Johnny Turk was a devoted 7.62 user and had a wide variety of rifles, mostly Mausers. My old friend Sgt. Angus Kellie (51Dvn Arty, 380 Siege Bty) told me that they burned beautifully. They used to pile them up so that the Turkish prisoners couldn't get at them because they didn't have enough men for guards.... so they would Put Johnny Turk into the bag, take away his rifle, let Johnny go and burn the rifles. That was Palestine campaign: Gaza, Beersheba, Jerusalem, Armageddon, Damascus.

A 7.65 carbine would be a LOT of fun to play with. The cartridge is ballistically identical to the .303, uses same powder, caps and bullets: just the casing is different. Brass can be bought or made from 8x57, 7x57, .30-'06 or, if you are really cheap (like me) you can stretch the necks of .308 and use those.... just blow them our carefully. Lotsa funs.

A real little toy..... somebody is very darned lucky. These things had wonderful workmanship!
 
The 1893 Mauser was the first to use a five round staggered box magazine. The Turkish model was chambered for the 7.65x53 cartridge and had a magazine cutoff. The more common version adopted by Spain was chambered for the 7x57 cartridge.

Earlier Mauser rifles had a single stack exposed magazine, which was loaded with stripper clips. These include the 1889 Belgian and 1891 Argentine models. They are quite different from the Gewehr 88, which had a Mannlicher-style magazine taking an internal clip, as well as the bolt handle in front of a split receiver bridge.

The Gew. 88 could actually be more accurately be described as the predecessor of the turn-bolt Mannlichers as adopted by Romania and the Netherlands.
 
Could be a Turk 1920s rework, need some pics of the reciever markings for sure. Nice pretty carbine anyway you look at it though.
 
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