1893 Marlin BP Only

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I have a decent 1893 38-55 I would like to load for, it is black powder only, looking for some advise on black powder cartridge loading such as primer type, powder (ffg, fffg ect) and charge weights, the bore is bright and free of pitting so any advice on how to keep it this way would be helpful as well. A safe smokeless alternative is also an option if there is a safe, have done a lot of loading but never tried BP or a rifle designed for it, thanks.
 
A safe, mild load smokeless load for your .38-55 would be 20 grs of H4198 or 24 grs of H322 with a 250 gr lead plain based bullet.

Black powder is simple - just fill the case with FFg Goex or Pyrodex Rs or whatever and seat a bullet.

Any standard large rifle primer will work.

SPG is a good custom bullet lube for black powder but there are lots of homemade recipes out there.

Make sure you swab the barrel with hot soapy water after shooting. Dry it then oil it.
There are custom black powder cleaners available too.

If you use black powder or Pyrodex RS you have to clean the cases too. Soak them in warm soapy water with a dash of vinegar. Dry and wipe clean.

Check out "www.youtube.com" there are lots of "how to" videos.

For best accuracy you should "slug" your bore as bore sizes differ widely from rifle to rifle.
 
Thanks for the information, we are limited to BP products in our area, is there any difference between brands all that is readily available is Jim Shockey's BP, the FFg seemed very course, assume that s normal.
 
Any .38/55 factory load in smokeless is perfectly safe in the 1893 Marlin if it is in mechanically good shape. The newer factory loads have smaller diameter bullets apparently which leads to inaccuracy in older rifles.
 
Becareful using smokeless loads in the Marlin 1893 marked For Blackpowder Only. the barrels are of softer steel and not made for Smokeless powder. Marlin produced these guns (only in .38-55 and .32-40) around 1906 as a cheaper version of the M1893 and there was still a lot of ammo around in these calibers with blackpowder. Use the gun as designed and have fun.
 
Thanks for the information, we are limited to BP products in our area, is there any difference between brands all that is readily available is Jim Shockey's BP, the FFg seemed very course, assume that s normal.

Do you mean "Jim Shockley's Gold" powder? If so - that is a "replica" powder. It's not actually black powder. A friend uses it as the main charge in his flintlock rifle and loves it. Clean up is much easier than with black powder.
 
Becareful using smokeless loads in the Marlin 1893 marked For Blackpowder Only. the barrels are of softer steel and not made for Smokeless powder. Marlin produced these guns (only in .38-55 and .32-40) around 1906 as a cheaper version of the M1893 and there was still a lot of ammo around in these calibers with blackpowder. Use the gun as designed and have fun.

This was my concern as I was doing some research on the use of smokeless and it appears that even with what it considered safe smokeless loads over time this can cause some nasty barrel failures.
 
Becareful using smokeless loads in the Marlin 1893 marked For Blackpowder Only. the barrels are of softer steel and not made for Smokeless powder. Marlin produced these guns (only in .38-55 and .32-40) around 1906 as a cheaper version of the M1893 and there was still a lot of ammo around in these calibers with blackpowder. Use the gun as designed and have fun.

The 1894 Winchesters chambered in .32/40 and .38/55 were also not marked for smokeless powder. Never heard of any issues there either. These rifles have been used with smokeless loads by hunters since the turn of the century with no ill effect.
 
The 1894 Winchesters chambered in .32/40 and .38/55 were also not marked for smokeless powder. Never heard of any issues there either. These rifles have been used with smokeless loads by hunters since the turn of the century with no ill effect.

The Winchester barrels were made of a different steel and Smokeless powders were already available in late 1894 when Winchester started making the 1894. The Marlin model 1893 was first developed in Aug. 1893 before Smokeless powder became popular. In 1895 they changed their barrels to a harder steel and started marking them Special Steel before changing the marking to Special Smokeless Steel. In 1905 they produced this B Grade Gun, as they called it, in a blued finished frame and softer steel barrel. These guns were cheaper, $3.15 less then the standard Case Harden Frame, Smokeless steel barrel version. I have one of these B grade guns that has a small crack on the inside of the barrel which is not visable from the outside and I suspect that it was caused by someone using smokeless ammo in it.
I really think that most of the "For Black Powder" marked barrels were simply left over from the pre-smokeless powder era. Marlin was not one to waste anything, so to get rid of the older, soft steel barrels, they sold them as the "B" Grade, Model 1893's for less money than the Special Smokeless Steel guns. It was a win-win for Marlin and any customer that wanted to save some money.
If I had a black powder gun that I wanted to shoot, I would be looking to shoot low power, smokeless powder with cast lead bullets. If I wanted to shoot jacketed ammuntion, get a newer gun made for jackteted ammuntion and higher pressures in a smokeless powder loads that will get the job done the way it should. So long as you use cast, lead bullets in a black powder gun, it will last as long as it was made to.
All I am saying is that is not recommended to shoot smokeless powder loaded cartridges in these models marked for BP only.
 
How did you make out? Did you get it shooting?

For sure the bore is going to be large. Gun makers relied heavily on BP's ability to obturate a bullet and make it fill the rifling.

You should slug the bore and see what size it is (to the grooves) and use bullets .001-.002" larger.

I've got an old 44-40 Marlin, made in 1895, that has a .440 bore and rifling that is .010 high. Modern 44-40's are .429 bores. The gun won't chamber a bullet larger than .435.

Shooting modern smokeless is ok in a BP gun, as long as you use moderate loads. The pressures are a bit misleading because BP has an instant pressure spike where modern smokeless has a more gradual pressure buildup. Smokeless today is quite different than it was 110+ years ago, even for powders that have been around that long like Unique

try MarlinOwners.com, lots of great advice there
 
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