1911 failing to return to battery by 1mm
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The sig gsg and regular gsg are made on the same line of the same components the only difference is the exterior markings. Some of the GSG's i've sold had a heavier finish in the rails then others, those pistols benefited from a brick or two of CCI minimags, with the rails kept wet and clean untill they wore in a bit, then functioned fine. I've seen some owners lightly emery cloth the rails to reduce the finish and allow them to run freely, i prefer just to break them in myself.
With stretching springs, once you extend (or compress) a spring to the point that it does not return to it's original length, you've exceeded it's elastic limit and shortened it's life. The more you "stretch" a spring, the shorter it's functional life will be. If your spring is too weak, replace it with a new one. This applies to any spring in any application.
I suspect the comments directed at the buffer are spot on. Good luck!
With stretching springs, once you extend (or compress) a spring to the point that it does not return to it's original length, you've exceeded it's elastic limit and shortened it's life. The more you "stretch" a spring, the shorter it's functional life will be. If your spring is too weak, replace it with a new one. This applies to any spring in any application.
I suspect the comments directed at the buffer are spot on. Good luck!
"I would try to stretch the recoil spring slightly. This will give you a little extra power on the return,"
Your words friend. Extra power would have to mean stiffer or would you like to refute this as well. C'mon, you said it and now you don't want to support it?
And for everyone who knows that the GSG and the SIG GSG are identical, that's just great. Please do call BS on me. As I have stated I have both in my posession and when you take them apart it is clear that one is built to a higher standard and in my experience the SIG works better. I really don't give a rat's ass about SIG 1911 22s, honestly it's no big deal, but it is a better put together gun than he GSG that I have in my posession and it works better. It's not complicated, it doesn't make the GSG crap, it's just the case with my two guns and that's all I have stated.
Anyone who wants to stretch their spring and add a little extra power should either read up on how a spring works - suggested - or give it a try because they read it on the internet and it must be true.
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No he doesn't need to quote the whole sentence. His point holds valid as it was quoted.
Stretching the spring and putting it back in will offer no solution for the OP, temporary or not. Stretching a spring does not change the wire diameter, number of coils or total length of wire...these are the factors that determine the springs power. Springs lose power over time from cycling, not from being stored compressed as some believe. Once a spring weakens, there is no practical way to restore it and stretching it will actually shorten it's lifespan.
I don't see anything wrong with that statement... A stretched spring will give you a temporary bit of extra juice until it takes its set back. It might only last one mag before it settles back, but at least it can help determine if its the spring or not. Nobody said its a permanent fix
No worries, we don't need to convince each other. There is plently of good material out there that explains how springs work, it's interesting and worth a read. I've spent a fair bit of time modifying motorcycle suspensions for track applications in motorbike shops and understanding how springs work and how to modify their effect has been pretty fun. Makes a big difference too.
Not the feed ramp but the area at the front of the chamber in the barrel just before the bullet presses into the rifling.
And checking that the rounds slip in and out easily in the chamber is a good thing to check. By the time the recoil spring on a rimfire strips the round out of the magazine and bounces the bullet off the feed ramp and the head of the bullet has to slide up the face of the slide and under the ejector hook there's not a lot of spring energy left. Any build up of fouling that produces a need for a forceful seating of the round into the chamber is going to cause trouble. A clean chamber on a rimfire pistol of this sort is essential to reliable operation. The round should be able to all but fall into place and fall out when the barrel is held muzzle down then turned to muzzle up.
Along with lubricating the rails don't forget the cocking nose and lower slide rail that the nose of the hammer rubs on. Keep that very lightly greased or oiled as well. The hammer has a lot of friction on that sliding surface if it runs dry and you have metal to metal contact occurring.
...Yes you do need to include the whole sentence. Anything less is an attempt to take a statement out of context.
You came out hard like an internet hero, claiming that I had made statements that I did not make, then you draw an incorrect inference on what I did say, and attempt to support your asinine position through misrepresentation...this puts you into the category of...incorrect. It also highlights an intelligent quotient less than average.
Never, at anytime did I make a statement that stretching a spring will make it "stiffer" and I take exception to the fact that you refuse to apologize. Welcome to my ignore list.
Due to the fact that you appear to have an issue with reading comprehension, I will explain to you what stretching a spring will diagnose for the OP, the reasons for my recommending this action to him I trust will become apparent.
Stretching the return spring slightly will rule out a collapsed/ incorrect spring. It will also become immediately apparent if the spring is kinked/damaged. No, this won't make the spring stiffer, but it will make it longer. As it is true that this action won't make it stiffer, it is also true that it won't make it weaker {more than it may already be}, just longer. Thereby restoring return speed to the slide. "...a little extra power on the return..."
And if you're going to rebut the fact that I haven't quoted the entirety of my own sentences and am therefore a hypocrite, they're my sentences and therefore can't be taken out of context by myself.
Dear offended Plinker 777,
I am not the one with a comprehension problem. Again I will take an excerpt from your last post and again it is certainly enough to make my point that you are the one "not getting it". I'm going to only deal with the initial misinformation you presented not the new stuff.
"Due to the fact that you appear to have an issue with reading comprehension, I will explain to you what stretching a spring will diagnose for the OP, the reasons for my recommending this action to him I trust will become apparent.
Stretching the return spring slightly will rule out a collapsed/ incorrect spring. It will also become immediately apparent if the spring is kinked/damaged. No, this won't make the spring stiffer, but it will make it longer. As it is true that this action won't make it stiffer, it is also true that it won't make it weaker {more than it may already be}, just longer. Thereby restoring return speed to the slide. "...a little extra power on the return..." "
You have stretched a spring, you admit that it is neither stronger nor weaker than before you stretched it yet in your last words somehow there is "...a little extra power on the return..." My question is where did this "little extra power" come from then? You claim yourself that stretching a spring doesn't change it's strength but then you let us know that it does increase its power? How can this be?
I am not the one with a comprehension problem. Again I will take an excerpt from your last post and again it is certainly enough to make my point that you are the one "not getting it". I'm going to only deal with the initial misinformation you presented not the new stuff.
"Due to the fact that you appear to have an issue with reading comprehension, I will explain to you what stretching a spring will diagnose for the OP, the reasons for my recommending this action to him I trust will become apparent.
Stretching the return spring slightly will rule out a collapsed/ incorrect spring. It will also become immediately apparent if the spring is kinked/damaged. No, this won't make the spring stiffer, but it will make it longer. As it is true that this action won't make it stiffer, it is also true that it won't make it weaker {more than it may already be}, just longer. Thereby restoring return speed to the slide. "...a little extra power on the return..." "
You have stretched a spring, you admit that it is neither stronger nor weaker than before you stretched it yet in your last words somehow there is "...a little extra power on the return..." My question is where did this "little extra power" come from then? You claim yourself that stretching a spring doesn't change it's strength but then you let us know that it does increase its power? How can this be?
Had the exact same problem 2 weeks back with the same pistol
abruptly started after I changed from the G96 cleaner i WAS using and started on it with Frog Lube.
Seems the frog lube is too heavy for such a small ammunition.
Soaked in G96 and already feels better. waiting for the next range visit to see if its corrected.
abruptly started after I changed from the G96 cleaner i WAS using and started on it with Frog Lube.
Seems the frog lube is too heavy for such a small ammunition.
Soaked in G96 and already feels better. waiting for the next range visit to see if its corrected.
You are truly simple. Clearly I'm wasting my time, but for the record you are once again drawing your own incorrect inference and have now moved the target from "stiffer", to "power". Here's how the language I speak works in regards to what you have bolded. Look to the sentence immediately preceding the last set quotations. This sentence {7 words} explains what stretching the return spring will accomplish. This same sentence also clarifies {for your benefit} where you drew your first incorrect inference on what I had said {which I put in quotations, again, for your benefit}.
Essentially, and I'm confident you'll fu<k this statement up as well, a partially collapsed return spring can be restored on a short term basis by stretching it, this will restore the slide speed {velocity} and the operator will experience an improvement in the operation of the hand gun{closed battery}. The power of the slide has been restored from the perception of the operator, and if a return spring was at issue it is now diagnosed.
Does that clear things up!? {I could really, really care less to be honest}
*edit* X2 on froglube. GSG's don't like it. (perhaps if you add stiffness to the return spring by stretching it!?)
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Froglube on a GSG 1911? It could be the way Froglube was applied. Specific instruction was to remove any lubricant and slightly warm the metal either by exposure to sunlight or a heatgun. Apply the FROGLUBE (paste or spray), let is soak and wipe to near dry. If you leave a bit of this lubricant the way we use oil, and your gun cabinet is not warm enough, you will notice Froglube to turn gummy. Your firearm will not cycle properly. I guess this is not formulated for use in the Arctic Canuckstan. I got an 8oz Froglube last January and I was happy as used on my 9mm pistols. But as I take my GSG 1911 to the range for the 2nd time, it cycled miserably to the point of not even 20 rds fired, I have to take it apart to see what is causing the problem. It was the lubricant (Froglube) gummed along the rails. Google "FROGLUBE Issues" and you will be surprised to find similar problems. I am not ready to give up on FROGLUBE, it might be the way we use it. I will wait for summer to have a second look at this lubricant.
You are truly simple. Clearly I'm wasting my time, but for the record you are once again drawing your own incorrect inference and have now moved the target from "stiffer", to "power". Here's how the language I speak works in regards to what you have bolded. Look to the sentence immediately preceding the last set quotations. This sentence {7 words} explains what stretching the return spring will accomplish. This same sentence also clarifies {for your benefit} where you drew your first incorrect inference on what I had said {which I put in quotations, again, for your benefit}.
Essentially, and I'm confident you'll fu<k this statement up as well, a partially collapsed return spring can be restored on a short term basis by stretching it, this will restore the slide speed {velocity} and the operator will experience an improvement in the operation of the hand gun{closed battery}. The power of the slide has been restored from the perception of the operator, and if a return spring was at issue it is now diagnosed.
Does that clear things up!? {I could really, really care less to be honest}
*edit* X2 on froglube. GSG's don't like it. (perhaps if you add stiffness to the return spring by stretching it!?)
I'm not the simpleton here, you may not be either, but you don't understand how and why compression coil springs work as indicated from your posts. Understand metal/elastic/plastic deformation. The adjectives "stiffer" and "power" were used by you, not me, check out their definitions and put them in the context of compression coil springs. Refer to the basics of how a spring works and you may find out that you want to do some research about how springs work.
I do agree with you on one level, I am beyond caring about your position on this matter too. I would recommend that you don't go stretching springs to fix other people's guns though, you won't be thanked or showered with accolades for fixing anything.
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