1911 Guide rod question

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OK, so I'm a total 1911 neophyte, and I've read a whole lot of the debate between GI guide rods and the FLGR. And somewhere in this reading, I read a description of a variety of guide rod which allowed one to disassemble their 1911 by taking the slide back to the disassembly notch and slipping the slide stop out, and the slide/barrel/guide rod/recoil spring would all come off as one assembly, and then one could disassemble from there without a tool.

Has anyone heard of such an FLGR? I believe there was referrence to a Reverse Shoulder somewhere in the discription of the part.

I love the look of the FLGR, but I also want a tool-free takedown.

Thanks for your time everyone.
 
hatman1793 said:
Reliability with a guide rod and without are the same.
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Some argue reliability is better WITHOUT a FLGR. Larry Vickers, for instance...

I had a FLGR on my Para 1640, and I didn't need a tool to break it down.

On my Kimber Warrior, there is a standard guide rod, and while I was considering a FLGR, I don't see a benefit. Perhaps smoother cycling, but that's it.
 
FLGR are a waste of time and money IMHO. I removed FLGR on my 1911's that were equipped with one from the factory and replaced them with Ed Brown GI Plug and Guide.
 
It is funny how people say the FLGR is not necessary because Johm M. Browning never put it on the gun , then they put extended mag releases, extended slide releases, extended and ambi- safeties, larger sights, and pin grip safeties. But FLGR's are argued to an almost fanatical state as being no good because it wasn't J.M.Brownings idea. Use what you want, it is not very expensive as parts go, and even having to use a allen wrench to take apart a 2 piece FLGR is no problem . If you were in the trenches in France in 1916, having to have a tool to field strip your 1911 would not have been appreciated. But this gun will be used on a range and cleaned in your nice warm house, put it in and make your own decision. With the 2 piece FLGR there is modifications required to your gun.
 
BEARMAN said:
It is funny how people say the FLGR is not necessary because Johm M. Browning never put it on the gun , then they put extended mag releases, extended slide releases, extended and ambi- safeties, larger sights, and pin grip safeties. But FLGR's are argued to an almost fanatical state as being no good because it wasn't J.M.Brownings idea. Use what you want, it is not very expensive as parts go, and even having to use a allen wrench to take apart a 2 piece FLGR is no problem . If you were in the trenches in France in 1916, having to have a tool to field strip your 1911 would not have been appreciated. But this gun will be used on a range and cleaned in your nice warm house, put it in and make your own decision. With the 2 piece FLGR there is modifications required to your gun.
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Ergonomics mag release, safety, slide release, etc) vs. Functionality (FLGR) Dude...
 
Forgot extended commander ejectors ( functional). Like I said " Near fanatical response when anyone talks about FLGR". But even the detractors usually say there is no difference with or without, so why do they worry about it. But for some reason most of the new more modern wonder 9mm's ,.40's ,.10mm's and .45's have a FLGR.
 
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I honestly don't think it makes a difference, many people who's lives depend on a 1911 think the FLGR is excess to requirements, there's not a whole lot of space for the 1911 spring to move around in to start with. Given a choice I go without, mostly because I'm one of those guys who still press checks the pistol, and because it makes odd ball one handed drills easier if you don't have one.
 
Gah! I've gone and started another FLGR/GI debate thread, Damn!

Honestly, I'm a non-combatant, so the one-handed clearances aren't really an issue. Doing some other searching, I found this:
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The Dawson Precision Tool-Less guide rod. Does anyone know who in Canada stocks Dawson? Their website says they don't ship outside the US, and they don't have a Canadian distributor listed.

My next question: My understanding is that once the guide-rod is removed, I should be able to twist and remove the busing without a tool, is this correct?
 
Most of the current guns I have seen have not needed a Bushing wrench to take down, i think that the only real drawback to the FLGR is that it adds one more step to dissassembly. The guide rod and spring do not need to be captive in order to take it down the way you want to, just beware of flying objects if the buffer slips off the link after you remove the slide.
 
I'm told the FLGR keeps the spring when compressed from rubbing against the barrel and slide and can make for a smoother action. I'm also under the impression that JMB did put a small guide rod into the first 1911's. In fact a few of us who own early Colt's can vouch for that. Just visit www.coolgunsite to learn more. They are the same as the GI guide rods. All of my Colt's (new and old) can be taken down and reassembled without a bushing wrench. It really depends on how tight the gun is to begin with. I have some full length guide rods that are a ##### to work with and others that are not. Depends on how tight the fit is and what manufacturer. They are all different. My 2 cents.
 
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