1911 Hand Cannon :The 460 Rowland

[FortSantiago]

I sent them a mail last night and as of now didn't get any response.

the lad's at 460 Rowland have a list of 1911's that they say work good with their conversions.
if your gun is an odd ball you can email them and they got back to all my emails within a day, so im sure they could tell ya right quick.
the biggest thing is the heat treatment vs the non heat treatment of the gun when they are made.

 

[turbo_bird]

Brownells doesn't carry the 460rowland.com conversion, they carry the Clark Custom Guns conversion, CCG doesn't ship anything outside of the U.S.

This is an excellent point that I forgot to mention, different product made by a different company to do the same thing.
Kristian

 

[FortSantiago]

Who else got their kit? Looks like they now realized not to ship in Canada.

 

[09outlander]

Who else got their kit? Looks like they now realized not to ship in Canada.

What makes you think that?

 

[FortSantiago]

What makes you think that?

coz they are unresponsive and quiet.

I will try to call them by phone and place my order.

 

[wayupnorth]

The mailman loves me!
He came today with gifts!

 

[FortSantiago]

^^ Man you're a good 1911 influence but bad on my CC, just placed my order. Please let us know how long it takes to ship.

Don't forget to post the complete pistol. Nice!

thanks

 

[caramel]

My new 460 rowland is call a Coonan Classic 357 mag... JP.

 

[09outlander]

My new 460 rowland is call a Coonan Classic 357 mag... JP.

Don't you have your own thread to brag in? Leave this thread to real 1911's, not your oversized monstrosity

 

[wayupnorth]

^^ Man you're a good 1911 influence but bad on my CC, just placed my order. Please let us know how long it takes to ship.

Don't forget to post the complete pistol. Nice!

thanks

bah, this is a co-joint effort with my dad, so the donor pistol and the conversion kit are at his place.
if it was here i would have had the thing put together 30 seconds after i walked in the door.

i should just order a 2nd one for myself....

 

[HK45auto]

My new 460 rowland is call a Coonan Classic 357 mag... JP.

Cute...

 

[wayupnorth]

and its done and ready for the range.
just need to flesh out some ammo now.

 

[plinker 777]

Wow...range report with video if possible.

 

[turbo_bird]

I just came back in from loading up a few rounds for this thing. I used some Berry's 200 grain round shoulder bullets, because that was the seater that was set up. All I did for setup was adjust the expander die and the Lee factory crimp die for the longer cases and set the powder measure for 13 grains of Longshot. I only had 33 primers loaded in a tube, and didn't really feel like loading tubes right now. Should be enough for a test batch at least. Maybe I will have enough time after work tomorrow to try a few rounds through it. The box of Berry's bullets says max velocity is 1250 fps, and the load data I found says 13 grains should have a 200 grain bullet right around 1350 fps. I've read that unofficially, Berry's plated bullets are OK to about 1500 fps elsewhere, so we shall see how they hold up. I'm not sure when I will be able to set up my chronograph though, that'll have to be on a weekend when I have lots of time.
Kristian

 

[Can-down]

Way up north what rear sight is that on your Norinco? Did you fit it yourself?

 

[Ganderite]

and its done and ready for the range.
just need to flesh out some ammo now.

Is it an illusion, or is that front sight not sitting down flush with the slide?

 

[wayupnorth]

Way up north what rear sight is that on your Norinco? Did you fit it yourself?

thats what it came with

 

[wayupnorth]

Is it an illusion, or is that front sight not sitting down flush with the slide?

ya no its not flush, its up a bit off the slide, will be interesting to see if it take off with the big loads, eh?
it stays on ok with the 45 loads.
good old Norc fit and finish, haha

 

[Can-down]

Those are the best looking stock Norinco sights ever...... I've never seen chinese fiber optic front's either.
I look forward to the range reports!

Where did you get the gun?
I might have to inquire with CanAm to see if they have any of those sights in their parts stock.....

 

[TwoTone]

I see no reason why a person couldn't use 460 Rowland brass shortened to 0.898" or Starline 45 Super (or even 45 Auto +P) instead of shortened and reamed 308 brass. I think I'll get a 22 lb spring and try it.

As for the 460 Rowland, that's well-done "hype" on their website, but why does a person even need the 460 Rowland "kit"? The 460 Rowland has the same OAL as the 45 ACP, but the cartridge is lengthened not for strength, but to prevent it from being loaded in a non Rowland gun. Is the barrel they provide somehow stronger? The muzzle brake sounds useful, but does it really spare the gun excess abuse?

I agree.

.45 ACP +P (23,000 PSI)
.45 Super (28,000 PSI)
.460 Rowland (40,000 PSI)

Based on the above numbers I think trimming some Rowland brass and loading it with Rowland data combined with a 22lb spring would be the best way to go of the three.

Nothing changes except the possibility of firing it by accident in a gun you intended to fire regular loads in (and of course this same possibility exists in going the 45-08 route)

Does the Rowland barrel have a better supported chamber in the feed ramp area than a regular 45 acp barrel? If so, that might still be a problem with using trimmed Rowland brass in a non-Rowland barrel.
I wonder what a sectioned Rowland case looks like compared to a sectioned .308 case in the web area?

As Canuck44 said, the standard barrel can handle 45-08 pressure no problem, I just wonder if the Rowland case is designed around a more supported chamber than the normal 45ACP setup.

Canuck44, are the die and reamer for making 45-08 brass still available somewhere?