1911 Hand Cannon :The 460 Rowland

I`ve seen both of their websites, but I would still rather do the work myself and learn something along the way. I did actually email Roger at Dark about getting the lower hard chromed once I`m done to make it a two tone, but haven`t heard anything back yet. I`m pretty sure if I can build my own car from scratch, I should be able to fix a 1911 on my own too.
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Kristian
 
An interesting project but as others have alluded to:
1. How can it run with a .44 mag considering differences in case capacity? Will it run with the .44 mag with 300gr bullets?
2. 40k psi in. 1911 seems ambitious to me. Are there many out there with 10 000 + rounds through them at that pressure?
3. What does a 10mm do at 40k psi? At least a 10mm has beefier chamber walls. Better yet a 10mm mag?
 
turbo_bird said:
I made it to the range today with my chronograph. Unfortunately I only got to check 8 shots before the chronograph died, apparently it doesn't like the cold. The load I got to check was a 230gn fmj with 11.0gn Long shot and loaded to 1.250" oal. I used CCI large pistol primers, and I think the primers will be the limitation with this round. This was right in the middle of the load range, and clocked at about 1310fps (1290-1339, 1311 avg, 14 SD). I had some loaded with 11.7gn (max is listed as 12.0) and found a few pierced primers plus some that had the dent from the firing pin pushed back out. The cases have a slight bulge where the feed ramp is too. I took some videos and am just waiting for them to upload to YouTube. It wasn't a very good day to be shooting for groups, as it was -19 with a -28 wind chill today. I did put about 50 rounds on a target at 25m, but I had already been out there for almost two hours, so its not exactly impressive. I was shooting at some 8"dia steel plates earlier, and hitting them about 6 or 7 times per mag, and about the same with the other 1911 that I brought along in 45 acp. After shooting the two of them back to back, I can say the 460 definitely has more recoil than the 45acp, but nothing unmanageable. I put about 200 rounds through it today without a beaver tail and my hands were fine other than the cold. I wasn't wearing any gloves while shooting. I would rather shoot the 460 with heavy loads than my 6" S&W 66-1 with heavy loads. Here's a picture of my lousy shooting today. The squares are 1".

Here's a picture of some of the brass. Top is a pierced primer, next two are also pretty over pressure, bottom aren't too terrible. Most were better than this. It doesn't really show up in the pictures, but you can see the cutout where the extractor is on each one is slightly raised.
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Andy said:
.... The Starline 45 Super brass stood up very well - I see no need to go to 45-08. At 11.0 grs, the primers weren't pierced, but a burr developed. I will likely not go above 11.0 grs, but the brass could take it IMO. I'd like to try some Lapua "Palma" or Rem 22 BR brass with the Small Rifle primer to see if that would mitigate the primer issues.
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I have some 400 Cor-Bon brass on order - it's based on 45 ACP +P and has a small rifle primer pocket. I'll size it to 45 ACP and try it with a CCI "Nato" primer (hardest cup of the ones I have) and see it that stems the primer flow even a bit. I'll load up some CCI "Nato" primers as well in my next batch of 45-08 I shoot.

The primer flow results from the generous clearance around the firing pin - the "Final" solution would be to bush the bolt to reduce that clearance, but that's not something I'm inclined to even consider.
 
Hitzy said:
Another option is a custom firing pin that matches the hole better....
http://www.egwguns.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=158&pg=1
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Well duh - I hadn't considered that. Thanks.

The present firing pin measures 0.089", and the firing pin hole is 0.097". A 0.093" firing pin will make a difference. Add to that the harder CCI Nato primer and I expect at least some improvement.

In fact since the primer is flowing into the firing pin hole, reducing firing pin clearance in the "large" hole might not have much of an impact. Reducing the diameter of the firing pin hole to that used in 9mm/38 Super (0.065") might be what's required. I'll try the harder primer, less clearance and small rifle route first though and report back.
 
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no.

are you sure the tracking didnt just stop at the border?
i know for 99% of the stuff i get from the states the tracking stops once it hits the border then im on the dark side of the moon until it gets to my door.
 
wayupnorth said:
no.

are you sure the tracking didnt just stop at the border?
i know for 99% of the stuff i get from the states the tracking stops once it hits the border then im on the dark side of the moon until it gets to my door.
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I tracked it from USPS website and still held at US custom and I can't track it to canadapost.ca.

Thanks
 
I've had gun parts stuck in customs for a week or 2 before. They're probably just trying to figure out how much to soak you for taxes. Or the package could be marked "machine parts" like mine was and they are confused. Hopefully it gets cleared soon for you.
Kristian
 
Hey folks, sorry I'm late to the party on these kits but does anyone know if Rowland are still shipping these to Canada?
 
roobarb said:
Hey folks, sorry I'm late to the party on these kits but does anyone know if Rowland are still shipping these to Canada?
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No they will not ship to Canada any longer (not directly anyway). not really a big surprise frankly
 
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I know this is an old post, but I was thinking today about the comp on the 460 Rowland barrel and how much nicer the GU would look if it had a full profile comp that blended nicely with the slide. A longer barrel and sight radius would be cool too. Then I started thinking that maybe a magna ported long slide would be pretty sweet. Drop in a heavier recoil spring and if you don't want to re-cut the chamber, use 45-08 or 45 super brass. I wonder if a good port job would be as effective at slowing down the slide as the comp that comes with the Rowland barrel. Has anyone tried something similar?
Kristian
 
Just bringing up an old thread..... I'm looking to purchase a 460 Rowland kit for my Norinco 1911-A1. Wondering how people are liking their Clarke or Fusion conversions? I see both are in Canada but only 1 has a compensator. I would like to be a able to shoot it without the comp? Any thoughts on which way to go or any advice?
 
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