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I have a nice 1911 in 7.62x25.

This round is quite a bit longer than a 45 ACP. I am currently loading my ammo to 1.250" and using a 38 Super mag.

This mag requires the bullet to be seated much deeper than usual and I have to seat milsurp bullets deeper, too, before I can shoot them.

Is there any other mag for the 1911 that would take a longer bullet?

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Ganderite said:
I have a nice 1911 in 7.62x25.

This round is quite a bit longer than a 45 ACP. I am currently loading my ammo to 1.250" and using a 38 Super mag.

This mag requires the bullet to be seated much deeper than usual and I have to seat milsurp bullets deeper, too, before I can shoot them.

Is there any other mag for the 1911 that would take a longer bullet?

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Never heard of a 1911 in that caliber. Something custom?
 
Does the .38Super magazine have a spacer down the back like a 9mm magazine? If it does, could it be removed? If it doesn't, I can't see how any magazine could be longer and still fit the frame.
 
I saw a conversion barrel for a 9mm to a 7.62x25 and was going to get it, bit Leary tho now if I have to seat bullets deeper, have you shot it yet? How does it function
 
I recall hearing that the Chinese converted 1911s to 7.62, but no idea how the magazine/cartridge length was handled.
 
Would a longer mag fit the magwell? It's normally a snug fit and if this is a normal frame and not a custom version for the longer cartridge then you may have to work within normal 1911-fodder OAL.

Sounds too much like the load development that got S&W from 10mm to 40cal. Call this 7.62 Tokarev Kurz?

(Would have needed a custom trigger bow too, then.)
 
fightinghamster said:
I saw a conversion barrel for a 9mm to a 7.62x25 and was going to get it, bit Leary tho now if I have to seat bullets deeper, have you shot it yet? How does it function
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It functions just fine. Actually more accurate than the 9mm barrel i took out.

Since I handload, the OAL is always set to match whatever gun I load for, so seating the bullets to 1.250" - 1.260" is not an issue. But some bullet designs are not suitable for deep seating. The milsurp ammo needs the bullets pushed in a bit, but I have Toks for shooting that stuff.

The 1911 does not reliably ignite the hard primers on the milsurp ammo, even with a heavier hammer spring.
 
A very long time ago there was a run of Colt National Match 1911 pistols that were chambered for .38 Special, but using a flush seated 148 gr full wad cutter bullet.

Wonder if one of those mags would afford the extra room for the Tok ctg?

That said, getting one would likely be unobtainium....

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NAA said:
A very long time ago there was a run of Colt National Match 1911 pistols that were chambered for .38 Special, but using a flush seated 148 gr full wad cutter bullet.

Wonder if one of those mags would afford the extra room for the Tok ctg?

That said, getting one would likely be unobtainium....

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There's a S&W semi auto model 52 that is the same sort of deal. ONLY fully buried HBWC bullets seated flush with the casing mouth will fit the mag.

For 1911's the mag well is only so wide. And the magazines use all of that other than the play required to permit them to fall free. I suppose this could be crowded a little and gain maybe 8 to 10 thousandths. But that's not enough to let the 7.62x25 be loaded to anywhere near proper stock length. It just is what it is.
 
I believe the 9 mm Llama , and maybe the star mags are a tad longer, not enough to make much difference.
I just sold the last llama mad to the gunclub for one of their guns. could measure it next trip, but don't think it will slide in a colt.
I believe they have a thick back to take up space on the 9mm, would to look again.

The 38sp colt used the same grip as a 1911 , so the mags would not be wider, same with the s-w, but they sat at a different angle, you could just load 5 rounds , but you had a rim that used up space and that changed angles as well. I use to leave a little lead sticking out, just for the crimp to catch
I really miss those guns.
I have not used 38 super, but one of the fellow here does.
 
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That is a neat conversion. Would have loved that calibre in something other than the Tok or CZ52 platform or P226. Norinco was working on a CZ75 variant which sadly never materialized. Kicking myself for not picking up the conversion when I could. 38 super mags, like 10mm and 45, already maximize the length. Maybe the 38 Spec find an extra fraction somewhere? From what I've read, 5 rounds in the mag is about the limit.

NAA said:
A very long time ago there was a run of Colt National Match 1911 pistols that were chambered for .38 Special, but using a flush seated 148 gr full wad cutter bullet.

Wonder if one of those mags would afford the extra room for the Tok ctg?

That said, getting one would likely be unobtainium....

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Slightly off but still relevant to this magazine size discussion. Avery long time ago a US gunsmith named Hoyt got a bug in his head to make .45 ACP match pistols out of Luger P08s. It was a cute but impractical solution to a non-problem (many other smiths had figured out how to make the magnificent 1911 perform). He basically welded up, ground, and hardened feedlips on the pistol frame, cut off magazines an inch or so above their base and crimped the spring with follower into it. You loaded your five rounds by pulling the mag, turning the pistol upside down and carefully dropping the rounds into the open frame, then reinstalling the mag base follower unit. Naturally it also had a twelve inch match barrel with mounted sights. I handled one about fifty years ago but never shot it. The owner said it was extremely accurate but the loading procedure was so slow he was constantly hassled by range officers and fellow competitors during timed and rapid stages. It was a design that I also heard of being tried on converting an S&W M41 to the .32 s&w long. The case for Hoyt was the width of the round, and while sawing a Luger down the midline and weeding in spacing had been done before, his solution was actually simpler and cheaper by far. He built an unknown number of them, but are so rare that the prices become astronomical. The idea might work for this long round, but I think just loading the bullet deeper is really the solution.
cheers. Dr Jim
 
T&G said:
Slightly off but still relevant to this magazine size discussion. Avery long time ago a US gunsmith named Hoyt got a bug in his head to make .45 ACP match pistols out of Luger P08s. It was a cute but impractical solution to a non-problem (many other smiths had figured out how to make the magnificent 1911 perform). He basically welded up, ground, and hardened feedlips on the pistol frame, cut off magazines an inch or so above their base and crimped the spring with follower into it. You loaded your five rounds by pulling the mag, turning the pistol upside down and carefully dropping the rounds into the open frame, then reinstalling the mag base follower unit. Naturally it also had a twelve inch match barrel with mounted sights. I handled one about fifty years ago but never shot it. The owner said it was extremely accurate but the loading procedure was so slow he was constantly hassled by range officers and fellow competitors during timed and rapid stages. It was a design that I also heard of being tried on converting an S&W M41 to the .32 s&w long. The case for Hoyt was the width of the round, and while sawing a Luger down the midline and weeding in spacing had been done before, his solution was actually simpler and cheaper by far. He built an unknown number of them, but are so rare that the prices become astronomical. The idea might work for this long round, but I think just loading the bullet deeper is really the solution.
cheers. Dr Jim
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Fellow by the name of Martz made custom 45 acp Lugers for a while. Big dollars. - dan
 
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