1911 Mercury guide rods?

Any added weight to the gun will reduce recoil as one of the components of recoil is the weight of the gun. Adding wieght to the front of the gun should reduce muzzle flip.

Can't use them for my shooting sport so it really doesn't make much difference to me.

Take care

Bob
 
I shot a Canuckistani IPSC Chanpionship with a HARRTS mercury guide rod in my Spacegun .45 Para.

While YPMMV,
I found the guide rod alone made a distict difference in how close the double taps were.

You may not feel the difference in slow fire, but I certainly could measure the difference on quick multiple shots.

like I said,
YPMMV,
but the point might be moot ... last time I looked in the Brownells's catalog, I coudn't find and HARRTS mercury filled guide rods.
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I have a gunsmith who says he has one. I think Harrts is dead or something though and doenst make them anymore. Maybe theres another mfg? Im not sure, I didnt ask what brand they guy was selling.
 
Dragoon you wouldnt happen to have a pic of your mercury rod would you? Thanks

I could, but it looks like any other full length guide rod so I don't know what you'd glean from it. BTW, mine is a Harrts as well. I bought it 10 or more years ago from Brownell's.
 
That's exactly my point though. The added weight of mercury is what (theoretically) reduces recoil, not the fact that it sloshes around. You can get the same effect with a tungsten guide rod.

If that's the case, why did the manufacturer leave space in the guide rod for the mercury to move back and forth? It would've been better to fill it completely to get more weight.

Not that I particularly care. As I said, I don't use it any more.....
 
The added weight of mercury is what (theoretically) reduces recoil, not the fact that it sloshes around.

You're missing the point. It's not simply sloshing around, but sloshing in the opposite direction of the recoil and somewhat cancelling some of it out. It seems to work well enough that many people use them on shotguns.
 
That doesn't make much sense. If the "sloshing action" dampened recoil, why not just fill the guide rod with water?

You could, but mercury is much denser and takes up less space, transfers greater momentum. I've used a mercury recoil damper in my shotgun and it was effective in what it's for.

It doesn't reduce recoil, it spreads the recoil energy over extra milliseconds, and makes it feel different, slower, less sharp.

The gun starts moving, hits the mercury, starts the mercury moving, the mercury steals impulse energy from the gun, when the gun starts slowing down, the mercury hits the back of it's container, transferring the energy back to the gun.

It's not a miracle cure, it's one of those devices that obeys the law of decreasing returns. Little things that do a little bit, but can really start to add up $$ wise. Not useful for the occasional shooter, but all together can really help the dedicated, avid, gun nut.

The thing is though, is that there is very little mercury that you can fit in a guide rod, and a 1911 is already a heavy gun. If you can only stick an ounce of mercury in the rod, and the gun already weighs 38 ounces, then you really are only taking the top 3% at most off the top of the impulse curve.

That's not as small as it might seem, the top 2-3%:p is always the worst 2-3%, but it is still just a percentage. If you are a casual target shooter you will just stop shooting when you get tired. It's only if you are a competitor that has to finish a match, and cannot stop because of fatigue, just have decreased performance, then it might be an important 2-3%.

** In a shotgun or rifle stock, there's alot more room for mercury tubes. You can fit two 6 ounce tubes in the stock pretty easily, a much higher percentage of overall gun weight, and have a much more significant effect.
 
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Whatever. If you can show me scientific basis for your theory, I will gladly admit that I was wrong. Until then, I call :bsFlag:

I haven't been shooting guns a long time, but I do have a couple years in the pure sciences in university, (Yes, we do other things than drink beer, and become hippies;)).

Do you remember the impulse curve from high school physics?

Well, adding a stationary weight to a moving firearm (momentary impulse) would change the total height of the curve, while a keeping the weight the same, but making some of that weight a moving weight in a tube would change the shape of the curve, and both adding weight and making some of the weight free moving would change both the shape and magnitude (total height) of the curve.

If that doesn't make sense to you, don't worry, I'll post a youtube video that will explain it more clearly when I get a chance.
 
I friend of mine down in the States tested the Harts back in the 90's when they were to be the next big thing.If I remember corectly the Harts not only used Mercury but had ball bearings inside the rod as well. He noticed the increase in "controlability". But it was directly proportional to for lack of a better term ,power generated by the gun.9mm controlability improvement was proprtionaty less than the improvement in controlability of the 40,45and 10mm.
 
I shot a Canuckistani IPSC Chanpionship with a HARRTS mercury guide rod in my Spacegun .45 Para.

While YPMMV,
I found the guide rod alone made a distict difference in how close the double taps were.

You may not feel the difference in slow fire, but I certainly could measure the difference on quick multiple shots.

like I said,
YPMMV,
but the point might be moot ... last time I looked in the Brownells's catalog, I coudn't find and HARRTS mercury filled guide rods.
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Harrts wen’t out of business about 4-5 years ago when mercury was banned from the face of the planet:D. But may I suggest for my friend above that a very viable alternative to a mercury guide rod is a Tungsten Guide rod. Tungsten is one of the most dense metals known to man and is so tough it has to be ground with special cutters rather than machined on a lathe hence its high price. Tungsten will offer about the same weight as a mercury guide rod without the worry that the guide rod cap falls off and you loose all your mercury.

You can buy tungsten guide rods from Brownells.
 
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I was going to make a joke about the fact that if you can't handle the recoil of the 45, you might want to either 1) Get a 9mm or 2) Hit the gym...

But then I remembered that some people are quite susceptible... to recoil or manhood joke :p

Hey I shoot 10mm alot...:D, Seriously I find .45 with factory 230s to be a really soft shooting platform. Just the idea of better double taps and the bling factor made me interested in it. :D
 
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