1911 MYTH or NOT......Very good read from a PROFESSIONAL forum ..

Thanks. I did enjoy the thread. It's a few years old now, but it holds up well.

My Para single stack is as dependable as any other pistol I've owned. It jams less than my Beretta did. And it's a heck of a lot more accurate in my hand. I'm pretty sure that the current crop of factory 1911's are as dependable out-of-the-box as anything else.

There is something unique and wonderful about the mass, balance, grip, trigger, aimability and aesthetics of a single-stack 1911.
 
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I once read that 1911s used in IPSC were very finicky and required a lot of maintenance to function adequately in comparison with the Glock/HK platforms... perhaps it's just a case of bias (due to the enormous number of 1911 pistols found in IPSC), but there might be something to it. Bottom line, if I'm going to trust my life to a pistol, it certainly won't be one that requires so much precision and tweaking to work properly...

For range fun? Definitely.
 
Soli said:
I once read that 1911s used in IPSC were very finicky and required a lot of maintenance to function adequately in comparison with the Glock/HK platforms... perhaps it's just a case of bias (due to the enormous number of 1911 pistols found in IPSC), but there might be something to it. Bottom line, if I'm going to trust my life to a pistol, it certainly won't be one that requires so much precision and tweaking to work properly...

For range fun? Definitely.
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Mabey you should go to an IPSC match and see if everything you read on the internet is true.......:rolleyes:
 
I read that first post and couldn't believe what he was saying. I had a Colt Mark IV series 80 and it was 100% reliable. Light loads, heavy loads, round nose, swc. No tweaking required. If that gun ever didn't function it had to be an ammunition issue. Add to that factor people reloading ammo improperly, modifying guns, you've got a showcase for user error making the gun look bad. I bet if you asked those shooters who are experiencing a problem, they'd probably tell you they had the problem ever since they did this or that to the gun or ammo.
 
I've seen many 1911's sh*t the bed including a guys STI Trubor Grandmaster at last years Medicine Hat 2 gun. I don't think the failures in most pistols is necessary attributed to the gun. User maintenance and ammo are more likely the problems.

TDC
 
I want to love the 1911 system. I love blued steel and diamond-checkered walnut grips. The snick of a safety and crisp pull of the single-action trigger are like music to my ears. However, I don't carry a pistol for its looks. I carry it as an emergency, life-saving piece of equipment.
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My experience with violent encounters is that when you need a pistol, the most important factor is that it go bang when you expect it to. My experience with modern service autopistols is that Glock, HK USP series and Beretta 92 series autopistols work very well. SIG pistols work well if lubed properly, but will malfunction if run dry. I had a Ruger P95 that continually malfunctioned, so I sold it. S&W autos are only marginally preferable to a sharp stick; the caveat being that the sharp stick will usually work and the Smith will probably malf when you need it.
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If this asshat is so concerned about reliablity, why does he carry an auto instead of a revolver?
 
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If this asshat is so concerned about reliablity, why does he carry an auto instead of a revolver?
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Cause revolvers can and do malfunction too. The only handgun I've ever owned that wasn't 100% reliable out of the box was a S&W 686 (it's getting warranty work done as we speak).

And unlike semi-autos, when revolvers jam, it's usually not something that you can clear yourself.
 
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What is a "PROFESSIONAL FORUM" ?
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10-8 Forums is not a "public" forum, as such. Anyone may enter the site and read the threads, but you must be confirmedLEO/ Military to be able to participate in threads.

The site was originally created by 1911 guru and LEO, Hilton Yam as a forum dedicated to the professional use of the 1911 platform and has grown from there.
 
Race 1911's suffer from being very tight, which makes for a accurate pistol, but also means that any ammo issues become a real bugger. People will spend $5,000 on a super pistol, $1,000 on belts, holsters etc, $2,000 to fly to a shoot and then want to spend about 3 cents a round on their ammo. Picking up brass at a IPSC shoot is quite interesting, bulged, split cases, inverted primers, cocked bullets, to long/to short bullets, improperly seated primers, no primers etc, etc
 
The 1911 has survived the test of time.

A huge number of gun manufacturers make em. The high priced custom guns are all 1911s.

.17,22,9mm,357 magnum, 40,45 and 10mm for calibers.

What Glock, Sig, Beretta, HK gun has been built in those caliber? And I mean ONE model that has all the above calibers in it?

I have 3 1911s. I plan on getting lots more. They are an accurate and easy to shoot paltform for me.

Shoot one for yourself, and you will understand.
 
"If this asshat is so concerned about reliablity, why does he carry an auto instead of a revolver?"

Speaking of myths. One of the primary reasons why the US went to an auto almost 100 years ago was the fact the auto was more reliable than the revolver. Run an auto through any of the well known Glock torture tests and tell me about reliability.

I love my revolvers but they are not even on the same plane as my autos for reliability.

Take Care

Bob
 
the reason you see so many 1911's ####ting the bed at IPSC matches isn't really an issue with the 1911 design. it's more a result of guys that mess with their guns and shouldn't, or people pushing the envelope on what the design can deal with reliably. a bone stock 1911, with just a simple polishing and such should run as good as any other gun on the market. Except Para's they just fall to pieces if you look at them funny.





(that last bit was just for you Bob ;))
 
modern pistols, the 1911 requires a fair amount of precise fitting by a skilled laborer. The gun was never meant to built by illegal Mexican workers earning five bucks an hour and employed by a company that has cut every corner imaginable in order to make their 1911 cost-competitive with Glock/Beretta/Sig/etc (which are way easier to produce). A typical modern mass produced 1911 is simply not built to the same standard of quality as pre-1970's Colts.

Ever wonder why you never hear about Browning Hi-Power being unreliable? The reason is that the vast majority of Hi-Powers sold today are still manufactured by FN, who has managed to maintain the same high level of quality over all these years. If companies like Para Ordnance started making the Hi-Power, it would quickly become regarded as an unreliable weapon.
 
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