Nossir! Though that's not the reason why I'm getting out of plastic guns and aluminuminiuminum stuff.
I guess I just generally trust gun makers to make a decent product, and for fellow consumers to call them out on these forums if they do not
1911 norinco vs SAM vs Girsan
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Nossir! Though that's not the reason why I'm getting out of plastic guns and aluminuminiuminum stuff.
I guess I just generally trust gun makers to make a decent product, and for fellow consumers to call them out on these forums if they do not
5100 steel is known quality steel. The norinco 1911 gov is built to proper specs. Everything is in the right place. Sloppily fit? It's loose ,eliminating these 1000 round break in periods and increasing reliability. Proper spring steel extractor, forged parts throughout. Will Wilson Combat or other custom shops work on a SAM or Girsan? Read some American forums if you want to get a better understanding of what the norinco 1911 has to offer. Strangely there's a lot more respect for Chinese firearms south of the border.
5100 series at one time, this is china, they could be using 1050 now for all we know....
I don't think you understand what goes into a full custom build with a Norinco.....
First thing done is to weld up and recut the frame and slide rails so they are tight, square, and true, match barrel is fit, every small part replaced. By the time all the work is done you are into Les Baer prices.
Personally if I was dropping that much coin it would be on a Baer.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1157868-Not-your-average-Norinco-1911-build
You are seriously doubting the quality of steel from a known exporter of military equipment to practically every developing nation around the world? Norinco isn't your run of the mill, rinky dink arms supplier who would even consider cutting up old railways for use in their products.
The communists are known for their steel production, Soviet, Chinese, the list goes on and on. Centrally planned economies rely on the steel mills and foundries, and given that the communists had to employ their people, they've had a long history and tradition of making metal into guns for their army.
Also, the price of steel is so incredibly cheap in China, I'd be surprised that more products known for lower quality steel, were actually made of a higher grade in China.
You, sir, are pulling numbers out of your ass. Go do some research and actually examine the metallurgy on current production Norinco guns before you start bashing them.
The fact they will work on them is a testament to their dimensions and steel quality. Considering the OP is looking for the best bang for their money, not a full on custom pistol, the norinco is excellent value. Those can am ammo deal 1911s can be had for $250 on the ee. Throw in a new trigger system(sear,disco,trigger and hammer), pin, spring kit($250 tops) and $100 to install. Sell old parts. You have a rock solid 1911 with a trigger tuned to your uses for about $550. Have a match bushing installed if you feel you can shoot better than the gun. None of this is necessary, just shows what a little work can get you.
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Hahahaha quality steel from China..... Yeah that's what they are known for haha good one.
I question the current steel used in production because the current sport models have all MIM parts aside from barrel/slide/frame. If they changed that, why wouldn't they change the steel used? They have no QC checks during production, a history of crooked shoddy dealing with many countries including some of our own importers like CanAm and the T97 that has yet to materialize but North Sylva gets theirs, but you trust they are still using the same steel they used 10-20 years ago when the GI guns were made....
Do you own any of the current sport models? Do you know what a MIM part looks like? Do you know anything about steel at all?
have you ever held a WWII 1911? it's moons away from Wilson or Nighthawk's qulity, it worked rather well during the war wouldn't you say?
how many guns are properly fitted to glass smooth during the war? has AK 47 got nice fit and finish? and does it work?
yes yes we all know Norico aint Wilson, just like a ford is not a Lamborghini, what is your point exactly?
you are the one who is talking out of your rear.
I don't own any Norincos by the way, but I have nothing against them or the people who likes them.
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I think Norinco's are made from our recycled Chevy's, aren't they? Lol. I have 2 SAM's, the Omega 6 9mm, and Thunderbolt SS .45. Thousands of rounds downrange, and guys at the club compared them to their big buck 1911's, and they were very impressed with them.
Sorry, thread needed pictures. Lol.
Sorry, thread needed pictures. Lol.
you are not bashing them after careful analysis or research, you are bashing Norinco for sake of bashing Chinese products.
many US made 1911 don't work well and have had issues, namely para, kimber etc all had their fair share of problems, yet they cost hundreds more.
you sound like those dickheads in their range rovers belittling anything not made in Britain....
LOL Hitzy ... typical. No shill and no don't work for them. I'm on pre-order for this batch and I had hands on the archangel model at hical. I'm just trying to help get the word out and say what I think, which I'll also do when its in.
We are taking 1911's, and yeah a 1940's USGI would be one of the last guns I would ever want to trust my life to. Better then a stick, but not something I would carry...ever.
I guess the "point" is simple...I have no issue with what they are, cheap, budget, low quality firearms with guaranteed issues in the fit/finish department. I have an issue with anyone disillusional enough to claim the quality is "better then" or "as good as" any US or Euro or even Philippines made guns. Enjoy them for what they are, I did when I owned them as well, but don't make irrational claims about them. They function, the shoot mediocre, and they are made by unskilled labor.
Many here seem to be unaware that the super-tight premium 1911, built that way for accuracy, is not the way JB designed it. It should be a bit sloppy, for the same reason that the AK is, so you can drop it in the dirt, pick it up, and use it without it failing to fire. It was designed as a military sidearm, not a range tool.
Hardly, I've owned Chinese guns since the late 90's, which is probably 5 times longer then you have had your PAL by the sounds of it....
Dumped all my Nork 1911's recently in favor of SAM, no comparison, way better guns for the money. Had an M4.....hugely disappointed, dumped it. Had 9mm toks, worked but shot like ####, terrible workmanship. Dumped Chinese SKS in favor of Yugo and Russian.
I still have a few .22 rifles, and an M14 and shotty. I'm familiar with what Chinese guns are and what they are not. I don't have expensive guns, I have good value guns....you know, quality vs price and where I'm happy with that. Chinese isn't it for me, but $50-$150 more is in most cases. If that is snobbery calk me a snob....
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I love it when Hitzy is on roll.
MIM parts are also in STI, Kimber, S&W, etc. I'm still on the fencepost concerning MIM. We'll see how my S&W trigger job holds up on them.
Maybe it's time to get a SAM so I can compare especially right now with price reductions.
MIM parts are also in STI, Kimber, S&W, etc. I'm still on the fencepost concerning MIM. We'll see how my S&W trigger job holds up on them.
Maybe it's time to get a SAM so I can compare especially right now with price reductions.
I love it when Hitzy is on roll.
MIM parts are also in STI, Kimber, S&W, etc. I'm still on the fencepost concerning MIM. We'll see how my S&W trigger job holds up on them.
Maybe it's time to get a SAM so I can compare especially right now with price reductions.
Quality MIM parts are nothing to worry about....good read here
http://rabbit.30de.com/resources/faq/faq-mim/
