1911 recoil spring gauge question

Zed

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Apologies if this has been discussed recently - I did a search and didn't find anything to directly answer my question, so I'll ask.

I'm trying to build a device that will allow me to measure the spring weight (force) of a 1911 recoil spring, whether new or used.

The purpose of this is twofold :

1) Determine the spring weight of several loose springs that I have (no labels or packaging), and

2) Measure a spring's weight after several hundred rounds to observe how it loses its characteristics over time.

Years ago I saw a rig that a guy built which consisted of a rod which ran through a loose spring. The moving end was secured to the rod by a nut and washer, and the fixed end was supported in a bracket held by a vise.

The rod was pulled vertically downwards with a gauge capable of measuring in the suitable pull range (like a trigger pull gauge only much higher values). It may have been a fish weigh scale.

I can build such a device, but I seem to recall that the critical point was that the spring had to be compressed to a very specific length (every time) in order for the spring force reading to be both valid and consistently accurate.

Logically, I would expect that this distance would be the minimum length to which the spring compresses during firing.

Please advise if known :

a) are there "plans" for such a device that a person can make at home ? If not, a description other than that above ?

b) is such a device available commercially ?

c) even more importantly, what is the critical length to which the spring must be compressed ?

d) other comments ?

Thanks very much in advance - much appreciated.

Z
 
To answer you questions inorder:
a) I've not seen any. But what you describe would work.
b) Yes but they are used by spring manufacturers in quality control and are very expensive.
c) A "Spring Rate" is the amount of weight needed to compress a spring a certain amount. Springs are rated by how many pounds of weight are required to depress the spring by one inch. So all you need to do is apply a know weight (in pounds) and divide it by the springs compression in inches.
d) No.
 
(Re)...a device that will allow me to measure the spring weight (force) of a 1911 recoil spring, whether new or used...(to)...1) Determine the spring weight of several loose springs that I have (no labels or packaging), and...Please advise if known :

b) is such a device available commercially ?

It is or, at least, it was. See these threads:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-140338.html

http://www.sdmfabricating.com/
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I just remembered 1911 springs are sold in the US (+Canada) in their fully compressed (-10%) rating. Ie all you have to do to check the weight is fully compress the spring and then back it off a little (so the coils are not hard up against each other) and then measure the force needed to do this.
 
Gun cleaning rod
Pull through loop attached to rod that is opened up to fit the spring scale.
Drop spring over cleaning rod shaft
Hole in bench
Insert rod up through hole
Attach spring scale through opened up pull through loop
Weigh without tension on spring and with spring under tension
Use tape measure to note travel distance
 
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