1911 - Thumb on top of safety?
- Thread starter TwoTone
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If you use a low grip that has a space between the top of your hand and the beavertail (a Patagonian grip) the muzzle flips upwards, it has to, because the bore is so much higher than your hand. Try shooting with a finger width of space below the beavertail to see what I mean, the muzzle flips upwards. But when your hand is tight against the beavertail, the recoil comes straight back without any muzzle flip. We're not talking about a .44 magnum here, only a .45 Auto or a .38 Super. I can shoot a full sized 1911 in .45 ACP without wrapping my fingers around the front of the grip frame and still have no muzzle flip.
So fun to see the light bulb go off in people when I get them to correct their weak hand grip
where did you find the antique scope mount?
So fun to see the light bulb go off in people when I get them to correct their weak hand grip
where did you find the antique scope mount?
Thats one of the parts Chuck Hiett (RedBuffs) gave me back when I built that gun. He supplied a number of parts and a supply of original Shok Buffs of various thicknesses. His support really helped me out back then.
feels awkward and... wrong.
i can't see how i'd ever accidentally move the safety.
more range time needed
slow plinking, prob won't be an issue. When you really start to burst out the rounds it can be a problem. I'm the other way, if my thumb isn't on the safety it feels weird.
also more importantly, if the thumb is always on the safety you likely will get a consistant grip. Thumbs forward is the proper way to shoot it. The teacup may get you some accurate shooting, but like Todd Jarrett says,...you get good contact using the thumbs forward technique. The revolver like thumb behind thumb type grip will cause you some skin loss the hard way with a semi auto. I tried warning some folks. ...but it took the drawing of blood to get them to listen. The light went on in my head after reading a long article about proper grip after Brian Enos, Rob Leatham, Todd Jarrett, and Dave Sevigny ALL showed close up photos of the thumbs forward grip. Some of the best, most knowledgable and successfull action shooters do it, ....must be something to it...LLOL. Shooting bullseye, PPC, etc...you can go slow and be accurate,....but with IPSC /IDPA, you need to be accurate AND fast. This grip will get you both.
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You are confusing the theoretical with the practical. For all practical purposes, there is no muzzle flip when the pistol is held with a high grip, meaning that you do indeed need a high speed camera to see it. You don't need the fancy camera when the pistol is held with a low grip as the muzzle climb is obvious and excessive. The point of my thread was that muzzle flip ceases to be an issue when the pistol is held with a high grip, although the nit pickers might not agree with the way I put it. With a high grip even an individual of small stature can easily control the 1911 provided his/her fingers are long enough to reach the trigger.
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Consider the angle of the gun against the mesh of the barrier. If we call the horizontal bars of the mesh horizontal, we see that when the shooter is aiming he already has the muzzle at an elevated angle and when the piece recoils the muzzle rise is very minimal, perhaps a half to three quarters of an inch which is of no consequence. I wonder how much of that is due to the mass of the holo sight on top of the slide. It does nicely illustrate that a compensator doesn't make much difference on a .45 though. When I'm talking about muzzle flip due to a low hold on the grip frame I'm talking about 3"-4" inches, minimal flip can be discounted as not existing as it does nothing to detract from the speed of target reacquisition or the speed of a follow up shot.
Well there's several errors in your response. The C-More (not Holo sight) weighs next to nothing as its all plastic, 2-3 oz tops, so it has little effect. The gun is not a .45 it's a .38 super shooting 124gr bullets at 1400fps which puts it in the same range as a .357 magnum (Factory .357 are around 1450fps) the comp is very effective at reducing muzzle rise.
While the flip seems minimal at the muzzle it's enough to place the dot off a target at 10m and this most definitely effects requiring the target.
Let try again with another video where you can see it explained a bit better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLRxohRdIys&sns=em
Pay attention to where he talks about how high the muzzle lifts over the target.
Meh, now you're getting theory mixed up with reality, I think that guy in the video needs to take some pointers from Boomer
