1911 vs ?the world? Why do you like it?
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The other extreme tests don't really reflect reality as you so indicated. What one can extrapolate to some degree is that such extremes are performed without failure, so "normal" use and abuse shouldn't be an issue. The extreme stuff gets people excited which generates sales.
As for copies of Glocks. There's been a few attempts and none come close.
TDC
blondes prefer glocks
Gaston Glock, 82 and his 31 year old wife Kathrin Tschikof.....
and all this time I thought John Moses browning was my hero. LOL
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Gaston Glock, 82 and his 31 year old wife Kathrin Tschikof.....
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I need a history lesson. Did Glock invent the safety action striker fire action? Aren't M&Ps, Steyr's, xD, and a few others based off Glock's trigger safety action?
I own a Steyr M9A1 made also in Austria, and it looks the same internally. Glock, looks wise, I don't think anyone has tried to copy the look because.... well, it ain't that pretty
Dexter Morgan
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I absolutely HATE the 1911 grip safety.
It does not match up to my gripping style at all. I have to hold the gun with a funny grip to get it to fire.
That means my shots are slow and awkward, and not very accurate.
The grip-safety is a deal breaker for me.
It does not match up to my gripping style at all. I have to hold the gun with a funny grip to get it to fire.
That means my shots are slow and awkward, and not very accurate.
The grip-safety is a deal breaker for me.
I need a history lesson. Did Glock invent the safety action striker fire action? Aren't M&Ps, Steyr's, xD, and a few others based off Glock's trigger safety action?
I own a Steyr M9A1 made also in Austria, and it looks the same internally. Glock, looks wise, I don't think anyone has tried to copy the look because.... well, it ain't that pretty
All the makes you list are blatant attempts to copy Glock. None come close as far as performance/reliability. The safe action trigger is indeed a Glock invention.
TDC
As in the Glock Gen 4 iteration for instance.
There are any number of guns that are just as reliable, some are more mechanically accurate than the Glock as well. What performance/reliability standard do you speak of? The guns come with cheap sights and a trigger that requires tuning and we haven't got to the grip yet.
Take Care
Bob
Winterkrieg
Regular
Glock 17 Gen4 Endurance Test
Heckler & Koch P30 Endurance Test
Heckler & Koch HK45 Endurance Test
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Endurance Test
He's doing a Springfield 1911 next...
Heckler & Koch P30 Endurance Test
Heckler & Koch HK45 Endurance Test
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Endurance Test
He's doing a Springfield 1911 next...
Based solely on those tests:
Reliability Ranking
1. HK 45
2. M&P 9MM
3. HK P30
4. Glock
Durability
1. HK 45
2,3,4, Glock/M&P/HK P30
Take Care
Bob
I love the look of the 1911, i love how it feels in my hand. However, I like Glock better. I have had two 1911s, one a springfield loaded, the other a sig 1911 POW/MIA. I found that with both, i would get malfunctions at around 400-500 rounds, when they got dirty. I dont get that with my Glock.
I haven't had as much time to respond to this thread as I've been in class, so between class, sleep & study I've been a busy boy.
That aside everytime I check in on the thread there is so much info, great opinions and things to consider.
I'll have to write up a proper response after but damn this is a great read so far.
-J
That aside everytime I check in on the thread there is so much info, great opinions and things to consider.
I'll have to write up a proper response after but damn this is a great read so far.
-J
Both Glocks and 1911's have benefits and detriments depending on their intended use. As a speed-shooting competition platform (I'm not talking about individual manufacturers here), the 1911 still reigns supreme, whereas for duty work the more modern plastic-fantastic guns (like Glocks) are generally more appropriate. They are certainly easier to teach basic skills with to a wider cross-section of people.
Someone who is well schooled in the fundamentals of accuracy will be able to shoot either one effectively. Typically, competition shooters will trend toward that which gives them the most mechanical advantage and platforms that permit the most customization to suit personal preferences. Those who use their guns primarily for carry will be looking to satisfy an entirely different set of criteria. Thus comparing 1911's to Glocks is ever more becoming an apples vs. oranges debate.
So like anything, one must ascertain what they want a firearm to do for them before they put their money down. And try before you buy is always good advice.
Someone who is well schooled in the fundamentals of accuracy will be able to shoot either one effectively. Typically, competition shooters will trend toward that which gives them the most mechanical advantage and platforms that permit the most customization to suit personal preferences. Those who use their guns primarily for carry will be looking to satisfy an entirely different set of criteria. Thus comparing 1911's to Glocks is ever more becoming an apples vs. oranges debate.
So like anything, one must ascertain what they want a firearm to do for them before they put their money down. And try before you buy is always good advice.
Among a million other questions I still have I think the main, non-1911 question I have is, would a Ruger 22/45 be a good place to start if I'm considering a 1911 down the road?
The only major difference between the 22/45, Mark III, and Browning BuckMark is the similarity between the 22/45 and the 1911 vs the others.
I don't know if/when I will end up with a 1911. I'd have to hold one, hopefully shoot it, then given the range of prices I'd have to see what fits or hunt for a used one, and of course choose a caliber. In the mean time though I could start my way down that road with a 22/45, and if I never own a 1911 its no biggie since having a .22 is a great gun to have anyhow.
I'm not sure who mentioned revolvers a few pages back but I wouldn't mind one of those either, biggest problem with that would be what to get as I don't really like the single action idea of most .22 revolvers so I may skip that and go with center fire when I look into those.
If/when I end up with a 1911 I can't see it being anything but stock for a long time, until I actually know what I'm doing, and more importantly why I'd be doing it.
Edit: a 1911 and a .22 conversion is not considered due to the price of the 1911 (ie Kimber)
The only major difference between the 22/45, Mark III, and Browning BuckMark is the similarity between the 22/45 and the 1911 vs the others.
I don't know if/when I will end up with a 1911. I'd have to hold one, hopefully shoot it, then given the range of prices I'd have to see what fits or hunt for a used one, and of course choose a caliber. In the mean time though I could start my way down that road with a 22/45, and if I never own a 1911 its no biggie since having a .22 is a great gun to have anyhow.
I'm not sure who mentioned revolvers a few pages back but I wouldn't mind one of those either, biggest problem with that would be what to get as I don't really like the single action idea of most .22 revolvers so I may skip that and go with center fire when I look into those.
If/when I end up with a 1911 I can't see it being anything but stock for a long time, until I actually know what I'm doing, and more importantly why I'd be doing it.
Edit: a 1911 and a .22 conversion is not considered due to the price of the 1911 (ie Kimber)
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I hate responding when I'm last to comment but meh...
Do any of you have opinions on Norinco, SAM, or anything else 1911 related in a $500 range?
I'd rather do it right than do it cheap so opinions are always good. I don't *plan* on making any modifications and do not have any caliber I want/need. I don't need a 1911 persay but since I'm considering and shopping I should give it a shot.
I will be picking up a .22 soon but I'd like to follow up with a center fire asap. As I don't want a 22 to be my only gun, I suspect I'll build bad habits if I only shoot .22 for a long period.
Do any of you have opinions on Norinco, SAM, or anything else 1911 related in a $500 range?
I'd rather do it right than do it cheap so opinions are always good. I don't *plan* on making any modifications and do not have any caliber I want/need. I don't need a 1911 persay but since I'm considering and shopping I should give it a shot.
I will be picking up a .22 soon but I'd like to follow up with a center fire asap. As I don't want a 22 to be my only gun, I suspect I'll build bad habits if I only shoot .22 for a long period.
Personally, I think the Norinco is a perfect 1911 for getting your feet wet with the pistol type. Certainly not the nicest available, but functionally I think there is little to complain about. It's a faithful copy (right down to the rattly loose tolerances, good for reliability), excellent steel (forged frame and slide), all usable parts spec and reliable out of the box. I hear of more problems with Kimbers than with Norincos, to be honest. And it's a great learning gun for playing around with modifications if and when the time comes. They are not for everyone, and you'll know soon after handling it whether it's something you would want to purchase. Rough and ready. For testing the waters while building your pistol collection, they are great. The more I use mine, the more attached to it I become (~18 months and 3000 rds).
The SAM 1911s haven't been available for nearly as long, so I don't think they've developed the same fan base. I don't have any experience with or knowledge of them.
BTW, the 22 pistol won't give you bad habits. You will.
The only thing it can't do for you is simulate heavier recoil. Train away. (and don't make too great a deal of the crossover value of the 22/45 - controls and grip angle change, it's just something to get used to)I have both a SAM in 9mm and a GSG 22 with 4500 rounds through each one
both to me are fantastic guns and go bang every time and i have had no problems with either
the best thing i can tell you is to find a shop or some one you know and put them in your hand and buy what you find feels right to you
A powerfist rachet is a capable tool as well. But a snap-on is just as capable but more reliable. Kind of what i was getting at.
