1917 sporter round not feeding into extractor issue

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I have a m1917 sporter that shoots quite well, the only issue is that it doesn’t feed the round furthest away from the claw extractor (second round) into the claw extractor. When closing the bolt it doesn’t catch the extractor and just pushes the round into the chamber, then the extractor snaps over the cartridge when the bolt is fully closed. Does anyone have any insight on how to fix this? Is this a normal problem?

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According to Frank de Hass in his book Bolt Action Rifles it says : The extractor is is designed to snap over a cartridge rim whether it is chambered via the magazine or single loaded:. I do not have a p17 just a pair of p14s so can/t check it out on those as they are chambered for a rimmed round. Pretty sure someone with a 17 will chime in.
 
Thanks, it not like the rifle does cycle or jam, i just thought it should always catcj into the extractor. Hopefully someone else can chime in here
 
I'm assuming the rifle is still in .30-06 and wasn't changed internally when the sporterizing was done.

Couple of things come to mind.

If there's only two rounds in the magazine and the second one won't pop up under the extractor, it may be that the follower spring isn't strong enough.

If the magazine is full and the second round won't pop up under the extractor, perhaps the left side rail lip could use a polishing with some fine sandpaper.

If the magazine is full and the last round(s) don't properly engage the extractor, it may be a weak follower spring. Polishing the rail lips won't hurt either.
 
The rifle is still in 30-06 and the extractor only doesn't catch the rounds that are furthest away (left side) since they are somewhat staggard. It does this no matter what even if the mag is full. I will try polishing the left side rail lip a bit. 600 grit fine enough? Im wondering if the round is hitting the left side of the bolt instead of catching it and pushing it into the extractor.
 
These were very well made rifles,bolts on P-17s are interchangeable.(not on P-14s, though.)The feeding issues have always been part of sporterizing the Model of 1917. They don't like round noses at all. The fellower on a P-17 has a sharp dividing line. If you look a commerical mauser,you will see what a fellower should look like,it's not much work to "break" the edge.
 
Ya i have been meaning to look at my buddies winchester model 70 to notice anything different. what do you mean by not liking round noses?
 
They have ramp geometry issues as the round noses are longer. I don't know anything about the pre-64 M-70s as my M-70 is push feed. I copied a FN mauser on my 308Norma.
 
Well i polished the follower with some fine sand paper and when to the range and the gun still has the same problem feeding rounds into the extractor from the far side. Any more ideas anyone? This is really starting to bother me. It works perfectly catching rounds from the same side as the extractor tho so why the far side?
 
based on what i can tell from google between the p14 and p17 follower it looks like a p17. When the cartridge gets pushed about half way and comes up to where the rail ends and where it should slide into the claw extractor, it seems almost bounce ahead of it before catching the extractor.
 
P17

Check to see if all parts are marked the same maker. IE:R-Remington E-Eddystone W-Winchester. P14 and M1917's are notorious for not having compatable parts if from other maker. I had an Eddystone with an R marked magazine,trigger-guard etc which didnt feed well. Once I swapped in all E parts the damn thing worked flawlessly.
Geoff
 
Alright, this may make sense then.

Follower = E
Spring = E
Floor plate = R
Extractor = E
Bolt has a R on the firing hammer at the back
Receiver has a faint R
Bolt and receiver does have a matching serial number
Safety = E

So should from what you are saying i should try to find a Remington follower and extractor?
 
With your enquiry in mind, I took some photos of an M17 I just sold, unfortunately the compactflash card took a hit and died before I got to post them and the rifle is gone now. Your best bet is going to be comparing to some other M17s that function properly.

So when the bolt first touches the base of the case, does the case seat against the bolt face, or end up being pushed forward by the lip on the edge of the bolt face?

Have you taken the action out of the stock and removed the spring and platform and looked at the lips on the underside of the receiver?

If someone has modified those, the case could be sitting too high and not "get around" the lip on the bolt head perhaps.

Is the inside surface (between the bolt face and the extractor) of the extractor parallel to the bolt face? It should be. You might need to blow out the crud with some carb cleaner to see it properly.
 
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