1917 Winchester,what;s it worth ?

Yup....... British 4.85mm beat the 5.56 all to Hell and back in the competitions, but 5.56 got adopted anyway.

Why?

Well, there were already 4 million 5.56 weapons out there and the Americans had been giving the damned things away all over the world. The time to have a competition is BEFORE you manufacture 4 million copies of something, not afterwards.

Of course, the US has never believed in fair competitions in matters such as this; it's much like some of the people on here: MY way or the HIGHway, dude!

Fact is, all those 5.56mm rifles could have been changed over to the 4.85 by switching exactly ONE part: the barrel. But the competition was rigged, right from Day One.

When it was over, the Brits went home, rather a bit satisfied that they had utterly trashed the 5.56 in an OPEN competition, changed-out the barrels on their 4.85s and announced the adoption of what we now call the IW-80.

I was at Enfield in 1976, saw s/n 4 of the X-70 series and got to play with it for the best part of an hour. They asked if I had any suggestions, so I made a couple and they actually produced one of them...... which was later trashed because it cost too much. But it is a brilliant design in many ways and is entirely constructed of materials which are available in the British Isles WITHOUT importation of anything.

They learned their lesson well in 1940.
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They learned their lesson well in 1940.

They certainly did. Ease of manufacture was a key advantage of the Hawker Hurricane, which contributed greatly to the defense of the isles in 1940, thumping the Luftwaffe hard, accounting for more than half of their losses.

I guess its to be expected, but aircraft development sort of followed along similar lines as firearms at times, with Britain contracting development from the US; which the US later used themselves. The 'North American' P-51 Mustang was actually developed for the British initally, but featured an US built Allison engine. Later, the US opted the design for their own use, replacing their Allison engine with the British designed and licensed Merlin engine.
 
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