1919A6

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I saw the semi-auto 1919A4 on the Marstar site last week, they were all out but they did have the A6's in stock, so I ordered one (30'06 version). I will see what I can find for a tripod/pintle etc.

I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know squat about these, other than what little I've read on the web in the mean time; it is a pure impulse buy simply because it looked like way too much fun (seriously cool) - and I can't imagine we will be legally allowed to buy these forever.

Anyway, I'm just anxious for it to arrive and hoping someone out there has one or has any info/comments etc. to help me bide the time...
 
OneBarFly - A group buy on the parts kits would be cool; I would be up to building one for sure. Have you thought about "spade-grips"? I will order a cloth belt; I only ordered metal links. Have you found any good deals on ammo?

I have a billion questions, but will try to control myself... thanks a lot for the links, I will go check them out now!
 
FYI, spade grips were NEVER issued with the 1919A4 or A6. Most spades were made for the M2 .50 cal HMG. Most you see on 1919's are converted M2 grips.

The parts kits would be cool IF you could get them. Good luck with that - exporting from the US is considerably harder these days. Might have better luck getting them from elsewhere in the world.

The 80% receivers are easy to get, but the machining is supposedly rather difficult unless you have a mill. I have no mill, so won't buy one anytime soon.
 
Agreed - Spades may not be correct, but way high on the LCF :D . Also, I hear that they cut-down the rather heavy trigger pull on TNW manufactured guns. As far as tripods go, place a "wanted to buy ad" here. Worse case senario, you could haunt e-bay or import one from Israel - not cheap however :cry: http://www.scopetica.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=45

Claven2 said:
FYI, spade grips were NEVER issued with the 1919A4 or A6. Most spades were made for the M2 .50 cal HMG. Most you see on 1919's are converted M2 grips.

The parts kits would be cool IF you could get them. Good luck with that - exporting from the US is considerably harder these days. Might have better luck getting them from elsewhere in the world.

The 80% receivers are easy to get, but the machining is supposedly rather difficult unless you have a mill. I have no mill, so won't buy one anytime soon.
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If you bought the A6, thats likely the best way to go. Tripods show up occasionally at a lot less than the $1000 difference in price between the A4 and the A6. Besides, it'll be a lot easier to find a tripod here in Canada than to find the bipod and carry handle. Although those items were in the Canadian supply system, they weren't often issued. The buttstock was normally issued however.

I bought the TNW in 7.62. I find that it's just too difficult to come up with .30-06 these days, especially in a quantity required to feed a belt fed gun. There was a flaw or two in mine. I had to change the barrel jacket as it was stretched at the threads on the trunnion, and wobbled around. I also had to fine tune the trigger a bit. But overall, it's a fun gun. Sure nice to fire something with a greater than 5 round capacity. Russ and I both had ours out at a shoot at Wolverine's, and they certainly are impressive for nostalgia and noise.

I'm building my own set of spade grips, using a cut up pistol grip and by adding a set of .50 cal grips. The basic grip is completed but I still have to build the trigger bar into it yet. It's turned into one of those project in the "round-toit" box. Looks pretty cool, but as has been mentioned previously, not an origional item.

Lots of accessories to collect for them as well. I'm still trying to find one of the carbon removing tools for the barrel bearing if anyone has a spare.

I was going to convert mine to C5A1 configuration, but I think I could end up restricting it to 5 rounds on a belt if I start using the US M-60 links. So I'll stick with my capacity exempted cloth 30-06 belts (loaded with .308 of course).
 
Too bad the bipods are almost always the Israeli type. Original US GI bipods are hard to find & cost too much when one is available. Aren’t A6s supposed to equip with a cone flash hider at the front?
 
Stencollector - cloth belts are capacity exempted eh? Seriously cool! Is there just a capacity limit if you use metal links? I couldn't find much on the topic. Either way I better add a cloth belt to the order (I just ordered links).

sf - I believe the orignal A6's came with cone flash hiders, but Marstars web-site says theirs come with an A4 style muzzle (which I assume means no flash hider)
 
You might get such a kit in if you were to have all the machine work done ahead of time to things like the bolt, and trigger frame, but the logistics of it all would be quite challenging. Then, you would have to wait forever for the CFC to recognize your build and make a new FRT entry for it.

I've done the math for some of the others wanting to try this route, and it really isn't a great saving over the Marstar example. You would have better luck trying to import one of the other brands of 1919 already completed.
 
Here I am at Wolverine's match with my 1919 :D

Sten and myself had a great time.....little hard on the 7.62 ammo though :lol:

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Russ...
 
Thanks for the info Stencollector (nuff said - sounds like too much hassle; glad you did the research); cool pic Russ - I'm seriously looking forward to mine arriving. I called Marstar today, they've been too busy and haven't looked at it yet. Must... have... patience...
 
Russ said:
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Russ...
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Best picture ever :D :D :D :D

Whos the geek with the 'hunting rifle' :?

A friend showed up with one of Marstars 1919's last summer and I laughed and laughed.

The thing was a hoot....accurate(closed bolt) reliable and just plain fun. It was 7.62 NATO and he had the 'old' links for it so we belted up about a zillion rounds. The thing ROCKED all day. Had the tripod and bipod. I had more fun firing off the bipod just cause ya get to feel the 'hit'.

I might just get one some day.......
 
if you go to the http://1919a4.com/ website they talk about all the makers (three currently) of the semi guns. TNW is aparently one of the most expensive and lowest regarded :?

Semis can be bought from Cole Distributing, Lakeside Guns, Valkyrie Arms, US Ordnance, Black Bear mfg., TNW, Impact Tactical, and Cobb Hill. These dealers/suppliers are really only selling three makes though AFAIK.

Cheapest I've seen is $1695.00 from US Ordnance for an A4. Might be cheaper than Marstar after import if someone like Questar brought them in and got further dealer pricing discounts. And best of all, US Ordnance has a better quality rep than TNW from what I hear.
 
Claven
I'll agree with the most expensive statement, but not the lowest regarded. The TNWs are known for their great finish, and aren't too bad reliability wise. Just their high price keeps them out of the hands of most Americans. There is one dealer who sells the gun only for around the $1100 mark. Tripods are expensive down there, running from $600 to $1000
All that said, what choices do we really have here. Parts kits are near impossible to get, machine work will be more expensive than the guys in the US who are doing 10 at a time, and getting even little things through customs like trigger kits, or sideplates, is always hit or miss.
My own experience with bringing stuff in from the US is that by the time it gets in your door, you can usually double the origional price. If someone is making an additional markup on the guns by importing them, I don't think we will really get a break in the end. And if you had a product similar to Marstars 1919s, why would you give them away for much less?
 
It is nice that we can just order them from Marstar. Thinking about it, if I was going to go through the trouble of importing a Semi MG, I would like to bring in an M2HB. Anyone interested in trying to put together some kind of group buy/import on a few of these?

Edit - crap, are these included in .50's that the U.S. can't export now?
 
I've got a TNW and it's great,as is customer service from them.Tricked out with aircraft style spade grips and sitting on a bren tripod it can be mounted in the back of my Polaris for informal deer hunting(belt blocked at 3 rounds of course).Anyone able to post photos?I still can't figure it out.
 
The photo of the 'A6 gun is actually an 'A4 with the Israeli bipod. The Israelis modified their 'A4 tripod mounted guns to the bipod mounted configuration by manufacturing a mounting block that used a cooling hole in the barrel jacket as an attachment point. The Israeli bipods also allow the gun to pivot from side to side -- something that the American 'A6 bipod does not allow.

The Israeli 'A6 guns used the M6 flash hider developed for the 'A4 gun and the clamp-on butt stock that slides on the recoil buffer of the pistol grip.

The actual American M1919A6 is slightly different than the Israeli 'A4/'A6 configuration. The true M1919A6 uses a lighter barrel than the M1919A4. The barrel jacket of the 'A6 is shorter and it uses a muzzle bearing that mounts its folding bipod. The bipod is retained by a large snap-ring. The 'A6 uses a removeable flash hider that is held-on by a special snap clamp. The clamp is designed for easy removal, as is the flash hider. The muzzle of the barrel has flats milled on it so the M6 combination wrench can be used to adjust the headspace with the barrel in the gun. On the M1919A4, the gun must be partially disassembled to do this. M1919A6 guns are found with a folding carring handle that attaches to the barrel jacket just in front of the folding front sight. The M1919A6 is issued with the stamped steel shoulder stock.

Because the barrel of the 'A6 gun is lighter than the 'A4 gun, the cyclic rate of the 'A6 is slightly higher. However, the ligher barrel of the 'A6 heats up faster than the heavier 'A4 barrel and it cannot sustain continuous fire for as long.

Although designed to be fired from its bipod, the 'A6 gun can use the standard M2 tripod of the M1919A4 gun. In order to mount an 'A6 gun on the tripod, you have to add the pintle (attaches the gun to the tripod) and the traverse and elevation (T&E) mechanism. The T&E is an adjustable unit that attaches to the bottom of the gun and extends like a lower case "h" to engage the traverse bar between the two long legs of the tripod. The T&E is used to make precise elevation changes to the gun and to allow searching fire (sliding the gun right and left on the traverse bar).
 
stencollector said:
If you bought the A6, thats likely the best way to go. Tripods show up occasionally at a lot less than the $1000 difference in price between the A4 and the A6. Besides, it'll be a lot easier to find a tripod here in Canada than to find the bipod and carry handle. Although those items were in the Canadian supply system, they weren't often issued. The buttstock was normally issued however.
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When I was in the Militia in the mid-70's we found out that the A6 parts were in the system and had a sympathetic officer order a set. We also ordered the vehicle mounts for one of our jeeps and played Rambo for the summer. Lots of fun! One of the guys still has some pics. I will try to get them scanned to post here.
 
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