1933 Browning A5 - 16 gauge semi-auto - what's it worth?

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Just started to clean up this safe queen - a Browning A5 16 gauge. The serial # dates it to 1933. I pulled the butt stock and forearm stock off and I'm currently stripping them. Will refinish with Tung Oil. Here are some pictures including the Browning FN butt plate which is made from the horn of an Asian water buffalo. Anyone out there have any more information I'd be interested in hearing from you. This one is chambered to 2 3/4 " only and the barrel length looks to be 28 1/2". The bore is bright and shiny with no signs of pitting inside. I'm trying to determine a value for insurance purposes if you know anything about these particular type if shotguns. Sorry no full gun pics - had the butt stock off and then realized I had no full gun pics.
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Google has a bunch of info if you look.
Here's but one link with a space in it.
Take out the space and have a gander.
At the very bottom of it are a bunch more links
to gawk at.

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It's now worth less with the refinished wood. Don't redo or touch up the bluing. A little gun oil and 0000 steel wool will clean the metal up without harming the bluing.

Value for insurance - $600 on up to what you want to pay a premium on.

Realistically you should be able to sell it to a shooter who likes 16's for $450 +.

Higher values in the US... not up here though.
 
I think it is a standard Auto 5 16 ga, not a Sweet Sixeen. The Sweet Sixteen was a lighter version and had "Sweet Sixteen" roll stamped on the receiver. I could be wrong but I think I am right. Value as already stated.
 
Standard 16 gauge - good catch. I think you are right, I think the lighter version also had a gold trigger...
 
I don't think 1933 guns had the behind the trigger safety. I think if it is a 1933 the safety should be the old type in the front of the trigger bow. I would put that gun as mid 1950's production maybe a little earlier.

Darryl
 
My error -not a sweet sixteen - there is no sweet sixteen engraved on the side of the action nor a gold trigger - however I do believe it is a 1933 dated gun - the serial # is 96120 and when I looked it up -
This guide is for the Browning A5 16 gauge only. Browning 12ga numbers began with number 1 in 1903. The 16ga number 1 began in 1909. The two sets of numbers are different.
I compiled this quick reference serial number guide for dating 16ga Browning A5s and the Auto 5-3 Shot, by serial number. I decided to share it here since this is where much of my limited knowledge came from.

The serial number and dates are approximations only. These dates were gleaned primarily from Sauerfan's timeline and the Shirley/Vanderlinden book. Details about dates, transitions, exceptions, and other nuances can be found in the Shirley/Vanderlinden book, Browning Auto 5 Shotguns.

I took the liberty to use the Calandar Year Jan. 1 - Dec. 31 for the X series. FN used the Fiscal Year July-June. Other factors need to be taken into consideration to properly date your gun. I found what I thought was a very early 1948 Sweet Sixteen based on the serial number. Browning informed me the gun left the factory in 1955.


1909
1 - 3200

1910 to 1914 There is only vague info about 16 ga SNs in SV (page 74) for the time 1910 to 1914. SNs 3201 – 15000 were invoiced between 1st Jan. 1910 and 30th June 1913. Last shipped before the outbreak of WWI was SN 19642.

1915 to 1918 No production due to German occupation of Belgium during WWI.

1919: 19671- 20500
1920: 20501 - 22237
1921: 22238 - 24050
1922: 24051 – 26000

1923 Barrel Address (US market) BROWNING ARMS COMPANY OGDEN UTAH BROWNING’S PATENT
26001 – 28400

1924: 28401 - 35650
1925: 35651 – 40010 (app.)
1926: 40011 (app.) - 51600
1927: 51601 - 57900
1928: 57901 – 65100

1929 Ventilated barrel rib (as an option) and barrel address change.
65101 – 82750

1930 Barrel Address (US market) BROWNING ARMS COMPANY ST LOUIS MO
82751 – 90500

1931
90501 – 94000

1932 Introduction of the three shot Auto 3 with shorter magazine tube and shorter forearm marked “Browning 3 Shot”
94001 – 96072

1933
96073 – 96143

1934 Receiver legend Now with BROWNING and John M. Browning’s bust between “TRADE” and “MARK”
96144 – 99500

1935
99501 - 103500

1936 The "Sweet Sixteen" was released but limited to a test market.
103501 – 105850

*1937* Introduction of the “Sweet Sixteen” sale to the public. Barrel Rib four possibilities in 1937: none, solid (hollow) rib, ventilated rib with X posts or matted finish for Sweet Sixteen (SV page 98) Barrel Ring as before or drilled with three holes on the barrels of Sweet Sixteen Safety Gold plated (Sweet Sixteen only) Trigger Gold plated (Sweet Sixteen only) Misc. “Sweet Sixteen” not separated by SN. No serial number distinction between the Sweet 16 and the Standard 16 gauge A5s.
105850 – 111000

1938: 111001 – 118200
1939: 118201 – 126123
1940: 126124 – 126175

****1940 – 1953**** "A" Prefix serial number on the side of the receiver, American made Browning by “Remington Arms.”

1944-1948 Post war Liberation guns, Serial number 128117-128646
"are so out of sequence there is no way to establish accurate production dates" S/V p76
1944: 126201
1948: 131738

1947 Post war Belgium made “X Prefix Series.” No serial number distinction between the Sweet 16 and the Standard 16 gauge A5. This is the “unmarked” Browning, era of the Sweet Sixteen.

These are among the rarest of the A5 Sweet Sixteen but are priced as standard 16 gauge A5s in value guides. This is the first year of standard production of the 2 ¾ inch chambered 16 gauge. It is also the last year of the non-engraved sweet sixteen. The popularity and success of the Sweet Sixteen from 1937 through 1947 earned it a permanent place in Browning marketing as the 1948 engraved “Sweet Sixteen.” 1947 is also the only year the 3 shot 2 ¾ 16ga was marketed in the USA. Getting one of these extremely rare original factory issued guns at a standard gun price is a trophy in itself.

1947 – 1953 “X Prefix Series”
1947: X1001 - X13666
1948: X13667 - X23501
1949: X23502 – X34600
1950: X34601 – X43700
1951: X43701 – X59400
1952: X59401 - X77700
1953: X77701 – X99999

1948
Introduction of the “Sweet Sixteen” in script engraved on the receiver. Prior to 1948 no sweet 16 was factory engraved “Sweet Sixteen.” Glen Jensen, Browning Historian takes the position that the true “Sweet Sixteen” was born when the receiver was engraved “Sweet Sixteen” in 1948. He acknowledges the lightweight A5 16 gauge guns produced between 1937- and 1947 are in fact Sweet Sixteens and identified as such in the factory issued catalogues. If the serial number records archived at Browning indicate the non-engraved guns are a Sweet Sixteen, Glen Jensen will issue a letter on Browning letterhead with an official seal for a fee authenticating the gun as a “Sweet Sixteen.”

1953 – 1954 A - Series "A" in front of or above the serial number. These guns were a transitional series between the X and the below R/S marked guns.
A1-A958

1953 - 1957 R = Standard Weight, S = Sweet Sixteen
1953:
S 01 – S 3700
R 01 - R 3100
1954:
S 3701 – S 24850
R 3101 - R 20800
1955:
S 24851 – S 49350
R 20801 - R 48750
1956:
S 49351 – S 72300
R 48751 - R 74700
1957:
S 72301 – S 99908
R 74701 – R 99999

1957 – 1958 Second series of "A" prefix
A Serial Number 01 November 14, 1957 and T Serial Number T229 November 24, 1957
1957-1958 A or T #01 – 10900 A Indicated Sweet Sixteen and T indicated standard 16

1958 – 1967 The single digit precedes the S and R. 8S,8R = 1958, 9S, = 1959, 0S = 1960, 7S =1967

***1958-1977*** FN High Grade Lightweight Series May include the letters following the serial number "SAC,B,F,N,Z" S/V p81
***1958 #001-17595 These will have a small two digit (year 59 = 1959) number following the serial number. Some have shown up with the entire year stamped instead of the two digit year code.

***1966 - 1977
***17595 - 26022


1964 was the last year of the “R” (4R) Standard Weight A5 16ga.

1968 – 1976 The two digit year precedes the S. 68S = 1968, 76S = 1976

1976 Japanese Production Began, however, FN still produced Browning “Made in Belgium” shotguns into 1984, SV p65. The serial number coding system changed to the serial number preceding the date code. Serial began with 1000 – 99999 followed by the model code 221 Sweet Sixteen and 171 Superlight 16 and two letter year( T=6, R=7, P=8). see Browning Website

1976
1000 221 RT – Sweet Sixteen
1000 171 RT – Superlight Sixteen
1978
1000 221 RP – Sweet Sixteen
1987
1000 221 PR – Sweet Sixteen
 
Not trying to question your authority and I appreciate your input- I'll confirm the serial number when I get home. I don't recall an X in front of the number but if it's there that would put this gun's year at 1953 which is inline with your earlier comments.
 
Another thing you'll find on Sweet Sixteens is holes in the mag tube ring on the bottom of the barrel. First gens have five holes, and second gens have three.

I owned a minty Sweet Sixteen from the early 1950s, and sold it for $1200. I'd put your Standard 16 at around $400.

-Nick
 
I'll preface this by saying that I'm a big admirer of the Automatic-5

That said...

The 16 is really a beautiful upland gun. But the original Auto5 is a big heavy brute of a gun that isn't at its best in the upland fields. Think of it as using a one-ton dually to get groceries. It'll work just fine but there are tools that are better suited to the job. I'm with guntech on the value but you'd have to have all the stars align properly to get that value. You need an Auto5 guy and a 16 bore nut who doesn't care about the finish issues. Those types of people aren't standing on every corner. At a $450 ask I would expect the best you could hope for would be $450 shipped and more likely $400 plus shipping.
 
Also, I'm on the dreaded "mobile device" but to my eye that barrel looks to be 32", not 28.5". Have you measured it with a cleaning rod down the barrel to the bolt face?
 
Also, I'm on the dreaded "mobile device" but to my eye that barrel looks to be 32", not 28.5". Have you measured it with a cleaning rod down the barrel to the bolt face?

The tape is hooked on the end of the muzzle and no amount of tugging will make it reach 32" there Biggly'un.
 
Think you guys are being way too kind with the value you are putting on this common A5
I have just one in my collection and yes it is a 16ga but a true sweet16 model and probally 95%
Paid 800 for it which was a good price
A refinished standard 16ga has no value to any serious collector and would hold value just to the owner. I would be hard pressed to pay more than 250 as most would. Refinishing is not a good thing for many models Cheers
 
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