1941 Port Contract K98

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Can somebody tell me more about the Port K98 listed on EE?

I have been lusting for an all-matching K98 for some time, and they simply don't get any nicer than this example.

Is this a fair price?

Are they collectible?
 
They are probably the best manufactured wartime K98s and most I have seen were in new condition.
They should have a matching bayonet and both should be in pristine condition to get top price.
The Portuguese K98's showed up some years ago with all their Nazi markings intact, which hasn't been explained.
Absolutely the best Mauser's to add to a collection.
If you want a Portuguese Mauser advertise for one on the EE. There some really nice slightly used examples in collections in this country.
 
beautiful rifles, overpriced in general IMO. but, like garands, seems people are willing to pay.
 
If you really want to overpay, there is a real nice, partially bubba-ed, completely mismatched, partially (and badly) refinished '39 Erma K98 in the EE going for double what it should bring on a good day.... ;)

Oh, and it's apparently an auction as well!!! :D LOL
 
Saw that rifle. Things are getting out of hand.

People need to do just a bit of research before selling items, unless they want bottom dollar. But for a rifle over $1k, do some damn homework.
 
In general, when looking at a port, ask for closeups of the stock cartouches on the butt. Both the nazi eagles on the right side and the port crest on the left. This will tell you if it's been sanded or whatever. Also look at the receiver tang - it should not be proud of the wood anywhere.
 
Desert_Fox said:
If you really want to overpay, there is a real nice, partially bubba-ed, completely mismatched, partially (and badly) refinished '39 Erma K98 in the EE going for double what it should bring on a good day.... ;)

Oh, and it's apparently an auction as well!!! :D LOL
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ok so i am not loseing my mind haha, i was staring at those pictures trying to figure out how that rifle was matching haha
 
It's a beaut, but even if that's the original unrefinished stock, $1500 would seem more like it IMO, based on recent prices paid.
 
Andy said:
if that's the original unrefinished stock
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I suspect Claven2 is onto something:

Claven2 said:
In general, when looking at a port, ask for closeups of the stock cartouches on the butt. Both the nazi eagles on the right side and the port crest on the left. This will tell you if it's been sanded or whatever. Also look at the receiver tang - it should not be proud of the wood anywhere.
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-Steve
 
Something to also consider is that these are not vet bringbacks, they are surplus rifles that were sold out of the crates.

Beautiful rifles, but not exactly uncommon here in Canada.

-Steve
 
Something that the gents haven't really touched on is that there are two main variations of the 1941 Port K98s (flat and cupped butt plate). Here's a little bit of info which I was able to find for you:

"The Mauser M941 contract was sign in July, 15, 1941, for the purchase of 50.000 rifles, to be delivered in 10 batches of 5.000. But serial numbering had some problems. The first 4 batches had consecutive numbers, but after the 23.000 rifle- the german made an emergency requisition that interrupts the serial number sequence. The remaining batches are delivered with serial numbers from F to I, and only H batch would have complete and consecutive numbers."
"Armamento do Exército Português Vol. I- Armamento Ligeiro" – Pages 142 and 143. ISBN 972-8816-43-X.

Essentially, some of these rifles are Wehrmacht diverted and others are not. Without capture papers it's difficult to come to any definitive conclusions but typically it's believed by collectors that the "minty" variations (like the one currently in the EE) were in fact delivered to Portugal and never actually saw service in a German soldier's hands.

If you're interested in pursuing these rifles, you may want to check out this thread. Here's an earlier flat butt plate variant with Heer markings on the stock.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/955745-Matching-K98-Photo-Shoot
 
Oh, I'd consider them uncommon - there are maybe only a couple hundred in Canada, but they aren't rare. They ARE valuable though! A real vet bring back will bring higher money in Canada regardless.
 
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Collector Grade Unrefurbished WW2 GERMAN Mauser 98K Bolt, Receiver and Barrel match. K98 rifle in original configuration, not a capture piece. Waffen stamps, Inspection proofs 280 and Eagle and Swatiska are present.

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German WW2 waffen stamps can be seen throughout the rifle parts. NO METAL HAS BEEN SCRUBBED PEENED OR DEFACED. The metal finish is 100% original.

BOLT, RECEIVER and BARREL all match together #8558. Bolt safety lever numbered 43, bolt sleeve show 3. Some Inspections proofs 280 present on it as on extractor collar.




RECEIVER is numbered 8558, Factory code is 27 (ERMA WERKE in ERFURT) and 1939 on it. A Nice Eagle and Swatiska is showing on left side as MOD. 98. On right Side 3 X proof stamp eagle numbered 280. Bolt stop numbered 3. Trigger is numbered 71, Inspection proofs are 135 and 280. Under the Receiver number 3 and 6 not together and 2 unknow symbols presents.





BARREL is still in its original 8mm Mauser caliber (7.92 x57). Bore riflings are deep and look greats. On top of the barrel next to the receiver 7.92 showing. On his left Side, 8558, and another Nice Eagle and Swatiska. Under it marking is RU and next to number 142739 and 3 X proof stamp eagle.





STOCK is Solid Walnut it show Markings and Eagles on Right side under Discs. No number on the outside but 9514 inside it under the barrel. It has a Flat buttplate, without any markings, number or proofs. Bolt disassembly discs are present, no markings, numbers or proofs.







Very particular to this one, It has a swivel sling attach and the stock sling slot trough it. (This very particular and it is original war era.) Also the H front Band is particular as well, it show a parade hook on the bottom as on a GEW98 , M1908, Front Band only markings is 69 and a strange symbol (see pics). The lower band present the sling attachment at is bottom, not in left side as they usually are located. No markings or serial. No number or stamp on Handguard.





Milled floor plate numbered 5877, magazine follower numbered 21. Receiver Capture screws present.





I have NOT shoot it but completely detail Stripped, inspected, and cleaned the rifle. Everything look perfect. I left a light oil cover on it for Rust prevention.
Cleaning rod and Nice Brown High Quality Repro sling are included


Overall rifle is in excellent condition.




This rare 1939 German Matching rifle is in Collector condition. As the market is going crazy these days,
IT is hard to value it, so;
Asking PRICE is 1500$ + shipping and insurance at buyer expense.
and I'm accepting offers by Private Messages until This Sunday October 15th at 21h00PM.


Buyer must have a valid PAL and EMT funds within 24 hours

NOTE; (Je Parle FRANCAIS)

Thanks for looking!


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When ads are this bad/false we should start saving them here for future reference.

I'm starting to have trouble believing that these sellers don't know better. It seems like they only have time to research what is top dollar, not to actually do an honest description of what they have.

This is nothing more than humping up the rifle with false advertising "vet bringback" "all matching" "all original" "collectors condition" .....give me a break!!!!! you must be JOKING! Not even close to what it's being described as, sorry.

I have said this before, the EE is often a dumping ground for fake or misrepresented firearms with no policing or consequences. I hope nobody here who actually reads the milsurp forum would fall for the hype on this one.

Probably we will get the same old excuse "I didn't know" "I thought it was original" "not my fault"

-Steve
 
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Years ago I traded one off to a dealer from Quebec at the Riverview Gun Show. I got thinking about it years later and regretted trading it.
A local gunsmith knew I was interested in Mauser's and he told me about a guy who had a Mauser for sale. I called the guy up and he said it was marked 1941 and had a crest on the receiver. I thought it might be a Portuguese model K98 so I went through my books and found the serial number of the gun I traded to see if it was in the same batch. I went to the guys house and when I saw the gun I didn't have to look at the serial number. The guy I traded the K98 took it back to Quebec and traded it to his friend and brought it back to Riverview the next year. The gentleman I got it from bought it early on Saturday morning. I never knew it came back to Moncton until I found it years later.

It isn't going anywhere as I will never be able to afford one at the prices they are asking for them. I bought another used Portuguese 1941 one with two Model G33/40 carbines, a minty Long Branch No4, and another rifle. I traded the 41 for a Remington 700 5R, and sold the mismatched G33/40.

They are out there, but if you aren't in any rush one will turn up. Just ask around for Mauser rifles and sooner or later one will show up but you have to know what you are looking at to get the deals. Buy some books and study them to be able to identify the different models. I carry the book "Mauser Military Rifles of the World" by "Robert W. D. Ball" is a good source. It will identify different models and if you are able to find something rare in another model you can trade it for something you want.
Before I got injured I had money in my pocket all the time and could take advantage of an opportunity. Now I have to plan because I can't buy much on a crappy pension.
A collector will wait for something, but some people can't wait and are in and out of collecting over night.
I apologize for a long post, it's just my two nickels because cents will soon be a thing of the past.
 
I have owned a number of Port contracts. The quality of wood to metal fitting, deep bluing, IMHO make them among the finest K-98's. All were matching, except one that had seen heavy use. Some have been imported into Canada, Frankonia has also brought some back from Porteugal to Germany and sold to european collectors. It's possible that there were Canadian troops that brought back Port contracts, but I have never seen one.
 
"...markings intact, which hasn't..." "We made these. Isn't the workmanship excellent?" Germany was still riding high in 1941 and trying to show the world how wonderful they were.
"...$1500 would seem more like it..." Geezuz. I knew I should have bought one. Sold 'em for $215, out of the shop I worked in, in the early 80's. Came with the matching bayonet and a ratty sling. Might have had a cleaning kit too.
 
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