1943 German Hi Power

Its Belgian folks... see the big BELGIQUE... Likely part of firearms seized when Belgium was invaded in 1940 I think it was

here's a link to some pretty eye candy

https://www.google.ca/search?q=hers...vHoGSiQLJxYCoBw&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=967

Oh and as to the name unless I am mistaken that's a Polish or Ukrainian name so very unlikely the original owners name since Poles & Ukrainians were deemed Slavic mongol races by Nazi Racists... also it appears to be written with a Sharpie

One thing for sure it would be an Officers gun, enlisted men rarely had side arms and if they did it wouldn't be an automatic
 
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Corry,

These nazi marked FN hi powers were built at the FN plant in German occupied Belgium. That's why they have all the standard FN Belgian markings, but also German waffenamt markings.

That's not a Polish last name, as it wouldn't have a "CH" in it. I'm 99% sure, anyway.

Nice piece, ArtyMan! I have one made about 60,000 guns after yours, and there's a noticeable difference in fit and finish quality between yours and mine. Yours is also in better shape. :)

Adam
 
I am thinking very likely a Canadian name.

Cyrillic alphabet uses a character much like an upside-down "h" for what we use "ch" to express.

Europeans generally use "cz" for th same sound.

Went to University with a guy named "Kiniski", but his family was from the old Austrian part of Ukraine, spelled it "Kynyckyj": same sound, different conventions.

Just for fun, a bit of Sidney, writing a letter for a couple of Ukrainian sailors he had bought:

"Having gone this far, Sidney decided that he needed a break from the depressing topic of Romans in general, put his treatise for Kaeren away, got out another sheet of paper and began writing.

Sidney of Wintanceastre in England to Father Dmitri of Kursk,
at the Church of Khristos Lord of the World, greetings.

He was writing in Church Slavonic, very similar to Old North Bulgar and able to be understood by nearly all of the Slavic people, even the illiterate and uncultured Pecheneg and Moskaly. And he was using the Cyrillic letters, just to cap things off. Sidney could handle the language with little problem; it was used all over the Slav country and would develop, over time, into an entire family of closely-related languages. No, what really miffed Sidney was the alphabet he was using.

‘I told Cyril and I told Cyril and I bloody well told Cyril,’ he fumed to himself, ‘but would he listen to me? Hell, no! He was going to invent the perfect bloody alphabet and that was all there was to it. Would he listen to me? Would he listen to the dulcet tones of reason? Of sanity, even? Hell, no! No, he started off with ordinary Greek, which is pretty versatile, so he used that for about half of what he wanted. Then he decided that there were so many new sounds that Greek couldn’t handle... and every single one needed its own letter. So he started turning things around and making up new ones and, pretty soon, he ran out of shapes, so he made tiddy little changes to symbols he already had and the damned thing grew and grew until, right now, it’s just about double the length of Greek and there are so many letters that it takes a genius to remember them all. Oh, well; some day, someone will get the idea and cut it back to about three dozen. That’s still a dozen more than most people need. But something has to be done: either chop off some letters or chop off some heads. Anything. Just get this damned thing usable! Right now, the only one I know that’s worse is Amharic and that doesn’t really matter because almost nobody there can read. Of course, that might be the reason. Here, too, come to think of it. Some day, I suppose, but it can’t come fast enough for me.’"

Fortunately, the Cyrillic alphabet has undergone at least two complete sets of modifications and shortning since that time.... but it still can be confusing to Westerners.
 
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There were Ukrainian SS divisions, so even though that name may not be UK in origin, there were UK people co-operating with nazis, so its possible they used this gun.
 
S.W. HAWRYCHUCK

I'll bet it was the New owner that bought it at any gun show, mail order or private sale.

Buy the gun, not the story.

You're lucky someone didn't use a Jiffy Marker and write Adolf Hitler or Josef Go-Balls inside the holster!
 
Nice one ArtyMan, looks great to me!

Its Belgian folks... see the big BELGIQUE... Likely part of firearms seized when Belgium was invaded in 1940 I think it was

here's a link to some pretty eye candy

https://www.google.ca/search?q=hers...vHoGSiQLJxYCoBw&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=967

I think it's already been noted, but the hi power ArtyMan posted is German issue. It was built under German occupation, waffenmarked, and issued to German troops during the war. Some sources say these pistols were most popular with the SS, due to the the high mag capacity. As no records exists of exactly how they were allotted to the different services, I guess it's hard to say for certain.

One thing for sure it would be an Officers gun, enlisted men rarely had side arms and if they did it wouldn't be an automatic

Many enlisted men also carried automatic pistols in every theatre of WWII. One of the most famous pictures of the war features a young SS grenadier, standing by the aftermath of the ambush at Poteau. In this enlisted soldiers hand is a hi power exactly like ArtyMans.

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I was wondering if anyone had any information as to tracking down any information on the name in the holster? I realize that name could have been written on any time since 1943 but it would be interesting to do some research.

I hate to be a pessimist but I really don't think that's the name of the German soldier who carried it. Best case, it might be the soldier who brought it home, and you would have better luck with U.S. and Canadian archive searches. Sadly, you will probably never to be able to find out for sure unless you bought it from the vet, his family, or the previous owner put together some solid provenance to go with it. The lack of rank, style of writing, and type of ink just doesn't look German to me compared to other authentic marked gear I've seen. I hope you can prove me wrong on this though, and it's still an awesome pistol!

-Steve
 
Corry,

These nazi marked FN hi powers were built at the FN plant in German occupied Belgium. That's why they have all the standard FN Belgian markings, but also German waffenamt markings.

That's not a Polish last name, as it wouldn't have a "CH" in it. I'm 99% sure, anyway.

Nice piece, ArtyMan! I have one made about 60,000 guns after yours, and there's a noticeable difference in fit and finish quality between yours and mine. Yours is also in better shape. :)

Adam

Ah thanks good info, never thought of that they may have not been seized but made under occupation.... I love this era of history very fascinating
 
Don't know if any of you "young'uns" remember but there was a pencil called and "indelible pencil" that when whetted looked like a magic marker and could not be removed. You used to wet them with your tongue or dip in water then write with them and it looked just like a modern day magic marker. You could not erase indelible pencil with a normal eraser and even if you tried there would still be a mark.
There you have another side of the story....
 
Don't know if any of you "young'uns" remember but there was a pencil called and "indelible pencil" that when whetted looked like a magic marker and could not be removed. You used to wet them with your tongue or dip in water then write with them and it looked just like a modern day magic marker. You could not erase indelible pencil with a normal eraser and even if you tried there would still be a mark.
There you have another side of the story....

Hi there wheaty
Now that you mention it, I do seem to remember them.
 
Don't know if any of you "young'uns" remember but there was a pencil called and "indelible pencil" that when whetted looked like a magic marker and could not be removed. You used to wet them with your tongue or dip in water then write with them and it looked just like a modern day magic marker. You could not erase indelible pencil with a normal eraser and even if you tried there would still be a mark.
There you have another side of the story....

If I say I remember would you think I was too old.. lol
 
S.W. HAWRYCHUCK

I'll bet it was the New owner that bought it at any gun show, mail order or private sale.

Buy the gun, not the story.

You're lucky someone didn't use a Jiffy Marker and write Adolf Hitler or Josef Go-Balls inside the holster!

I didn't buy this pistol for a random name written in the holster. When I bought the pistol, I thought the holster to be a new repro to be honest - the entire holster didn't mean much to me at all when assessing value.
 
I didn't buy this pistol for a random name written in the holster. When I bought the pistol, I thought the holster to be a new repro to be honest - the entire holster didn't mean much to me at all when assessing value.

Name or no name, finding a German hi-power holster in good condition isn't easy.

I think that holster would be about $250 if you had to buy it separately.

I remember searching for one and it took me a while to find something nice to go with my hi-power. I'll still searching for a nice second mag, bumping my ad every week on the EE.

-Steve
 
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