1945 Mosin Magant M38 - Value?

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In going through some of my Mosin-Nagants, I find that I have an original 1945 dated M-38 Carbine. This is not one of the new refurbished models, but was bought over 20 years ago. Have since found out it is in a M-44 stock. According to Mosin-Nagant.Net, no M-38 stocks were made after 1943. It has matching serial numbers on the barrel, bolt, magazine and buttplate, stamped and not EP or force matched. It has not been sanded. Barrel is bright and shiny, with very good rifling.

While I am fairly good on many Milsurp prices, I also recognize that there are more competent people out there that specialize in the Mosin Nagants. I am selling some of the Military rifles that I have, and this one will be offered for sale on the EE later, but I would naturally like to quote an amount that is in line with the current values.

I also realize that the 1945 dated (and the 1939 dated) M-38 Carbines are very scarce and therefore are very desireable for collectors. On one of the MN Websites, the rarity of this model was rated as an 8 out of 10 with 1 being the easiest to find and 10 being the hardest. As an idea, original Mosin Nagant Sniper Rifles with a scope are rated as 5 to 6 as to difficulty of finding.

Again, this Carbine will be going up for sale on the EE. I would appreciate an idea of the value so I could ask a reasonable price and yet not ask an arm, a leg and a first born son for it.:) Thanks for any input.




 
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I think you'll land about $400, maybe $450 for her. I had a similar one up for awhile and ended up selling for $380.

The arabic numbers on the stock are interesting... I'm a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure thats a 186...
 
It is definitely a refurb with a M44 stock (evident by the cut out on the RH side of it), albeit an older one. Should be able to snag 400 for it.

Dave
 
fenceline said:
Yup. M44 stock.

While it may or may not have gone through a formal refurb, it did at some point get a replacement stock.
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Actually, I believe by that time all M38s were issued with M44 stocks as it was easier to just fit the rifle with the bayo cut as the M44 was rolling out and they did not want to continue to produce two different stocks for no real reason.
 
Somewhere in the range of 350-450$ (might have to wait a while to get the higher end). The problem with most uncommon Mosin Nagant variations (by year) is that most people would just prefer to look through more that cost less to find one to fill there collection then pay more to have it filled. I noticed that someone had a M44 which was unrefurbished and it has gone down to 395$ (last time I looked it may have sold) which is what they cost at the stores at the moment for a refurbished model. It may have been a fair bit rarer than a refurbished model but in the end it was supply and demand, the market is just a bit too flooded at the moment, and the demand isn't nearly as great as it was then the rifles where a fair bit cheaper.
 
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Thanks for the answers. In Mosin-Nagants, my tastes lean toward the Finnish ones, and I am not up to speed on the various other Makers and Variations.

I know that this one came from Israel in the 1980s so the Arabic numbers makes sense. In checking Mosin-Nagant.Net, it was stated there that no M-38 stocks were produced after 1943, so a M-44 type stock seems to make sense on a 1945 rifle. With my "limited" knowledge of the carbines, I sort of thought that the M-44 stocks had a groove for the bayonet in it, at least the two I have and the ones that I have handled have the groove, and this stock does not seem to. If a "refurb" was done, it was an early one before it was given to an Arab state. I noticed that Westrifle is asking $360 for M-38s so the prices given are in the ball park.

Thanks again for the input.
 
With all the variants of Mosin Nagants there are more than enough "rare" examples to run all the collectors out of money. It will be 50 or 100 years before the vast majority of these rifles enjoy anything more than commodity pricing. When the cheap surplus ammunition dries up, prices and demand will fall.
 
marc_j said:
With all the variants of Mosin Nagants there are more than enough "rare" examples to run all the collectors out of money. It will be 50 or 100 years before the vast majority of these rifles enjoy anything more than commodity pricing. When the cheap surplus ammunition dries up, prices and demand will fall.
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That did not happen that way with the Lee Enfields or Mausers when the cheap ammo dried up!
 
I totally disagree with the idea that when the ammo dries up, the prices will drop. Look at lee Enfields...surplus ammo IF available is a collectable now but what are Enfields fetching in the EE now? Same with surplus M2 ball, it's nowhere to be found and getting an M1 less than $1200 would be a steal.
 
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