1945 p38

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Here's interesting P38 I snatched from EE. Made in February of 1945. Frame exhibits casting flaws and rough machining, while slide and barrel have deep vice(?) marks. Original magazine with barely visible E/88. Great representation of external finish quality deterioration in the last months of war.

















 
I have a December 1944 CYQ, and it's similarly rough around the edges (although no gouge in the frame), maybe a bit smoother internals, but not by much. It was very obviously end times by the time these guns were coming off the assembly line at this point.

CYQ/Spreewerke has a reputation for being at the low end of P-38 quality, but that's mostly in terms of fit and finish. They still had to go through acceptance, and they still had to work. And they made sure everything was to spec in all the places that counted.

Still surprisingly good shooters, or at least mine is. I wouldn't want to run any hot ammo through it, but bog standard 9mm should be fine. I'd take a steel frame CYQ over an aluminum frame post war P-1 any day.

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I only get it out maybe once a year, and only put 3 or 4 mags through it. But I don't own safe queens. So far it's been 100% reliable.

You probably already know this (you tend to do your research), but that mag is worht almost as much as the gun. The E/88 mags (there's a lot of debate on who actually made them, it may or may not have been Spreewerke) that got issued with the CYQ pistols have largely evaporated, far rarer than the guns. I'm lucky to have one with mine as well, but probably only about 50% of the CYQ pistols floating around do.
 
"Frame exhibits casting flaws" FYI, All World War 2 P.38 frame no matter who produced them were forged! As noted above CYQ/Spreewerke was not noted for its fit and finish and by February 1945 I suspect any forging that could be used was used.
 
By January 1945, Spreewerke was also shifting its resources over to cranking out the VG-2, a true "end times" gun. I'd love to hvae one, but if I did, it would be an exception to my "no safe queens" rule. The VG-2 was an all around terrible gun, and notoriously unreliable.

But they weren't expecting the people getting them to have a lifespan longer than a few days, possibly weeks, after receiving them...

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An interesting commentary regarding E/88 magazines.
It appeared on the P.38 Forum at some point in the past.

E over 88 marked magazines.
It is my opinion that no magazine production ever took place at Spreewerk Grottau or Spreewerk Kratzau.
Spreewerk was never set up for or intended to be in the business of manufacturing magazines. Unlike the experienced and self sufficient arms manufacturers such as Walther and Mauser, that manufactured all parts and components for their
pistols, Spreewerk was a satellite facility for wartime pistol manufacture only. So other than the first few magazines
brought by Walther, ENM was most likely the only manufacturer of magazines for the Spreewerk pistols.
It is also my opinion that the E/88 inspector served both factories until he was replaced at the ENM factory by the E/WaA706 inspector.

The code jvd was assigned prior to that as evidenced by the mags marked both jvd and E/88.
Since some jvd marked mags are also marked E/88 we cannot assume the E/88 stamp indicates Spreewerk manufacture Just as we cannot assume anything from the shape of the welds since round, oval, rectangular, and elongated all appear on these magazines.

Therefore it is a bit of a misnomer to use the description "Spreewerk" magazine for these mags marked E/88 with no
other markings as this implies these were manufactured by Spreewerk. This has never been proven. They were
intended for and issued with Spreewerk pistols but I suggest that since these early E/88 mags do not carry a factory code that we stick with calling them "E/88" magazines as some collectors already do.

I would like to thank the following individuals that contributed information and photos for this research and
presentation:
Jan Balcar Leon DeSpain Marc Mandro
Dennis Johnson (DJ) Dennis de Vlieger Mark Castel
Malcolm Saxon Per Mathisen Dave Shike
 
I have a Spreewerk P38.I don't recall it being date stamped.It is a rough looking matching numbered gun.I traded for it knowing it had a cracked barrel.The guy I got it from noticed smoke coming out of the side of the barrel while shooting and decided to stop shooting.The crack is forward of the slide and about 1.25 inches long.I replaced the barrel,test fired it and retired it.
 
I have a Spreewerk P38.I don't recall it being date stamped.It is a rough looking matching numbered gun.I traded for it knowing it had a cracked barrel.The guy I got it from noticed smoke coming out of the side of the barrel while shooting and decided to stop shooting.The crack is forward of the slide and about 1.25 inches long.I replaced the barrel,test fired it and retired it.

None of them have a date stamp. But the production was well tracked, and you can tell date based on the serial number.

http://pistole38.nl.server3.starthosting.nl/tech/P38ProductionDates.pdf
 
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