1949 sks

sigrunes said:
I respectfully have to disagree. 49 original stocks most certainly do have the Tula star from my research (yooper sks , sksboards etc.). If you have a source or article that states otherwise I would be very interested in it. Thxs
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^^This is correct^^ While my 49 stock has been sanded and re stamped, it appears to be the original stock as the re-stamped numbers seem to be a match. The Tula star was not re stamped, but you CAN faintly see it!!!!
 
YooperJ and SKS Boards also continue to repeat several SKS theories as fact that have since been disproven. With actual study and data. Poyer's book is filled with speculation that has been transformed into assumed facts as well.
 
Philthy1 said:
I guess you are trying to be funny? FYI 49 stocks don't have Tula star. There's a lot I'm not telling you. Maybe Mr Jones will.
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Just kidding around philthy, but if you just even check the stickies above you can find a lot of good info, even though they are a bit outdated, you can also google pics of 1949 sks to get an idea of what they should look like because most of what you are saying is not true to our knowledge. if the Tula star is not on the stock, it is because the stock was replaced during refurb or sanded off during same!
 
So are you saying that the 49's don't have Tula star on stock Fenceline?
I know not everything on those forums is gospel but where is a source saying that the 49's had no stars stamped on stock?
Every source I've read says they have the star , year , serial number on stock then acceptance stamp on other side.
Not attacking you , honestly asking. I don't think it's a coincidence that my (and Walleye) refurb 49 has a faint star and 1949 on stock that was sanded/refurbed and my original has a crisp unsanded stamp.
 
I don't have a non refurb 49, mine has a laminate stock but my 1950 and 1951 non refurb do have the Tula star also some of my refurb early stocks still can see the Tula star faintly as you said, I think fenceline was saying, not everything we read on Internet is true, some of the stickies show that, as they talk of the 55/56 sks, which is what we thought they were just a few years ago, now we believe they are the letter series 56/57/58 sks, it fits what we see but maybe in a few years this may change. A few things that are pretty undisbutable, are, the 49 had a spike bayo, shallow front stock, hand stamped date, hole in the cover latch, non chrome bore, squared gas block, Spring loaded firing pin, and I am sure I am missing a few! Curtton and a few other guys should stop in to comment, maybe even the Westrifle guys!
 
Philthy1 said:
I guess you are trying to be funny? FYI 49 stocks don't have Tula star. There's a lot I'm not telling you. Maybe Mr Jones will.
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It has the Tula mark on the receiver cover. Why wouldn't it be on the stock? It would stand to reason it would be. All the 10 1949's that have has hardwood and laminate stocks except the one I posted above have the Tula mark. Not surprising a replacement laminate wouldn't have it. But to be original yes it would have the Tula stamp on it. Not sure where you got the idea that they wouldn't from... I certainly don't claim to be an expert, but this would be new to me.
 
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sigrunes said:
So are you saying that the 49's don't have Tula star on stock Fenceline?
I know not everything on those forums is gospel but where is a source saying that the 49's had no stars stamped on stock?
Every source I've read says they have the star , year , serial number on stock then acceptance stamp on other side.
Not attacking you , honestly asking. I don't think it's a coincidence that my (and Walleye) refurb 49 has a faint star and 1949 on stock that was sanded/refurbed and my original has a crisp unsanded stamp.
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No I'm saying sks board and yooperj are not sources that I'd consider overly accurate in their overall research methods. A lot of assumptions and fill in the blank guesses without real data analysis.

Tula arsenal marked the stocks with a star. As there aren't many 49 non refurbs and most examples ARE refurb that the available reference material is limited.
 
walleyed99 said:
^^This is wrong^^
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Woops braincramp, forgot wth I was talking about (you guys will get old too:) Yes I believe they do have the Tula star. Primarily I was thinking the contour was wrong, but now comparing it to one of mine, it does actually look right. The forestock contours out much smaller than post 49 stock, plus the wrist area should a deeper drop before the comb. Pulled out one of mine to compare. Fyi, the yoopers pic of a 49 stock is a fake imho.

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Oh, and the bayo was of interest. What's been presented to me as originals have had the bluing almost completely worn off. The OPs looks very dark in the photo. What a great gun though......looks quite right to me.
 
I have yet to be convinced that a 1949 non-refurbished SKS exists, including the photos posted in this thread. And to the fellow who posted photos of his "non-refurbished" 1949, I hope you're not offended.
 
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OP... Your SKS is actually quite interesting.

I believe you have an honest to goodness 1949 heavy refurb. I believe the receiver and cover, in fact, do match, including the trigger group. You might also have the first example of a refurb SKS with a replacement barrel, at least from what I have seen and inspected, and I have inspected many hundreds of SKS's over the years. In fact, until I saw this post, I was skeptical that a rebarreled refurb even exists! I am still approaching your SKS with caution however.

If, and it appears to be the case, that your 1949 was heavily refurbed, it has value. How much, is hard to say. I know of a few collectors that only collect IZH 2008 imports because of the mag pinning method.

So, in my opinion, the following parts were replaced and restamped during refurb:

---stock (obviously)
---barrel and all attachments, including bayonet lug, bayonet, gas port, etc.
---gas tube (many refurbs sport NOS gas tubes, in fact, I bought a few unstamped NOS gas tubes from a Ukrainian based reseller)
---magazine. Yes, it's stamped to match your rifle. It was not uncommon for NOS mags to be reserialed and installed during refurb.
---dust cover latch... but this takes me to my next comment:

If the dust cover latch was not replaced, then the other posters are correct, you have a faked 1949. Basically a late 1950 SKS with a cleverly ground and restamped 1949 dust cover. Can you send a close-up photo of the dust cover latch? This will put the speculation to an end.

Of all the SKS's I have handled and inspected, EVERY early 2008 IZH import was the real deal. Some were heavily refurbed, some where non-refurbished. I have an example of both.
 
The Kurgan said:
I have yet to be convinced that a 1949 non-refurbished SKS exists, including the photos posted in this thread. And to the fellow who posted photos of his "non-refurbished" 1949, I hope you're not offended.
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Not offended at all , I can't see any signs of refurb is all , pretty damn close to non refurb if not actual non refurb IMHO. I posted pics to share it with other gun guys and sks guys. Any comments or insights are welcome as long as they have some base or merit to them.
Also I find it weird that no one thinks a 49 non refurb can exist when there are non refurbs of all other years out there , sure a non refurb 49 is rare but still out there for sure. I believe I have one , to my knowledge anyway. Always open to new knowledge or info though.
Always gonna be naysayers in life anywhere , I'm just sharing pics of guns on a gun forum.
 
The Kurgan said:
I have yet to be convinced that a 1949 non-refurbished SKS exists, including the photos posted in this thread. And to the fellow who posted photos of his "non-refurbished" 1949, I hope you're not offended.
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I'm curious what you are seeing in Sigrunes '49 (AM 445) that would suggest refurb. The more I look at it the more legit it looks....other than looking "too good". Of course its hard to say much much without gun in hand.
 
sigrunes said:
Also I find it weird that no one thinks a 49 non refurb can exist when there are non refurbs of all other years out there , sure a non refurb 49 is rare but still out there for sure.
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The theory is that 1949, being the first year of production and with only a limited number of rifles being built, resulted in all rifles going into service and being used extensively. The stock of 1949 rifles were nearly, if not completely, used and abused, and went through the refurb process as a result. After a couple years of production, there were more rifles to go around and more continually being produced, which allowed many later date rifles to be tucked away or kept in a better state of preservation. From my own collecting experience, by 1951 there was ample supply and production of rifles, and there were certainly a decent amount that either went unissued, or were maintained in a high state of preservation.
 
Thanks for the comments and info guys , honestly appreciate it , I enjoy sharing pics of guns , after all we are gun nuts.

I have to mention one thing I found funny , one of the "skeptics" on the non refurb 49 contacted me about buying it , says a lot IMHO. I'm holding onto the rifle for now (and maybe for good) obviously and just wanted to share pics , if I was selling it , I would have it on the EE already.
 
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