1950 SKS with SPIKE BAYONET

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I AM REPOSTING THIS IN THE HOPE THAT SOMEONE HAS A SIMILAR 1950 SKS WITH A SPIKE BAYONET. A serious debate on this was on SKS-Files forum ending Feb. 3rd 2018.

I have this carbine in Milsurp forum, but think that this would also be a good place for it. I purchased this carbine from Westrifle on July 3rd, 2017. I have a copy of bill of sale. They had 10- 49s for sale, but the last one was a 50. It is a early 50 with all the 49 traits. The stock is laminate and not original to carbine. I would like to ask that if any owners of early 50s would post pictures of their carbine. There are examples of early 50s with 90 degree gas port and eyelet latch cover, but none with a spike

https://ibb.co/album/kP3zJv
 
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Links don't work for me?

If there is a 90 degree gas port and early style latch it is quite possible the last of the spike bayonets were used in 1950. Really hard to say without an original 1950 stock with a spike channel and narrow forend.
 
I have this on milsurp forum and previously this link was working. When pictures do reappear you will see that the laminate stock is made for a spike(tapered) and that the stock ferrule also is for a spike. Pictures on that Milsurp forum is in error also.
 
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I guess I solved the mystery.The OP has 1950 SKS and the receiver cover has lightening holes.WELL... "49, '50, '51 and '52 have NO LIGHTENING HOLES. They started in '53 and on. Looks like some of the folks at Westrifle has a good sense of humor, took unmarked 1956 cover and carved 1950 to create a Unicorn.
 
Let me see, they would take a blank 1956 cover, use a engraving tool to mark the date, then hand stamp the tula star and then scrub and stamp a new matching serial number. Seems like a lot of work, why not leave the cover alone? There were 3 versions of covers and if you look at the picture and compare, you will see that this is the earliest version. Also in the Files-SKS forum they have compared the receiver and cover S/N and believe they were stamped using the same stamps. This subject of the holes has been brought up before and they think that the holes may have been drilled at refurb. Good catch on the lightening holes, a lot of people didn't notice them (but a couple did).
 
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Let me see, they would take a blank 1956 cover, use a engraving tool to mark the date, then hand stamp the tula star and then scrub and stamp a new matching serial number. Seems like a lot of work, why not leave the cover alone? There were 3 versions of covers and if you look at the picture and compare, you will see that this is the earliest version. On Yooper Johns there is a comparison of covers. Also in the Files-SKS forum they have compared the receiver and cover S/N and believe they were stamped using the same stamps. This subject of the holes has been brought up before and they think that the holes may have been drilled at refurb. Good catch on the lightening holes, a lot of people didn't notice them (but a couple did).
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What would be the purpose to drill the holes in '50 cover? To make the whole think a fake?
 
You are right about the tula star being irregular. 49 and early 50s were hand stamped, thus being irregular and later ones had a uniform stamp. Same goes for the engraved date going to stamped, 90 degree gas port going to 45 and eyelet latch cover going to solid. Sometime in early 50 they switched over.
BUT when did they switch from spike to blade bayonet?
 
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You are right about the tula star being irregular. 49 and early 50s were hand stamped, thus being irregular and later ones had a uniform stamp. Same goes for the engraved date going to stamped, 90 degree gas port going to 45 and eyelet latch cover going to solid. Sometime in early 50 they switched over.
BUT when did they switch from spike to blade bayonet?
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It could be a crossover 50 with 49 features. Wouldn't be unheard of. But with the lightening holes are there as has been said, then it is likely a 49 refurb that was refurbished using a 50 receiver cover scrubbed and reserialed to the gun during refurb. The fact it has a laminate stock means it was refurbished later after the laminates have come out. It is a honey colored laminate then it would be a late refurbishment. The 49's were, in many cases refurbished more than once. That would explain the later features such as the lightening holes being added. Most all 50 sks's seen have the blade bayo so it is reasonable to believe they switched late 49/early 50 from the spike to blade bayos.

The lightening holes may have been done during refurbishment to the early 50 receiver cover. They are not drilled even on both sides. All later receiver covers I have seen and I have seen a couple hundred, they have been evenly spaced. So that too leads me to believe this is a 49 that has had a 50 receiver cover reworked during late refurbishment and reserialed to matched the rifle. The mag looks like a replacement as well. Stamp font is different on it as well. So it could be a transition 50 with spike or a heavy refurb 49 with later parts added. Or it is a transition 50 that simply had the lightening holes added during later refurb. We can never really know for sure. With a refurb anything goes.
 
It was noticed about the lightening holes and suggested that it was done at refurb. You are the first and only person to notice the uneven position of holes. I noticed holes but only thought that it was uncommon for that early receiver cover and thus why I included it in pictures. If you go to SKS-Files forum, there is a blow up of receiver and cover S/N.
 
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I guess I solved the mystery.The OP has 1950 SKS and the receiver cover has lightening holes.WELL... "49, '50, '51 and '52 have NO LIGHTENING HOLES. They started in '53 and on. Looks like some of the folks at Westrifle has a good sense of humor, took unmarked 1956 cover and carved 1950 to create a Unicorn.
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This is definitely an early style cover and could only be from a very early 1950 rifle.

The 2nd and 3rd style covers have larger machining cuts to accomodate the larger retaining lug on the late style cover release levers.

jstin's cover"
https://image.ibb.co/gdmxFb/IMG_6407.jpg

And (Left to right): early, 2nd, 3rd style covers:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/12/P10702331280x7201-1.jpg

Lightening holes were not standard until 1953. Which indicates that the lightening holes on this early style cover were added during refurb.

And the 49 and early 1950 Tula stars and dates were all hand stamped-- each side of star is actually an individual arrow stamp repeated ten times by hand. The Tula stars on the 49's and early 50's are commonly irregular and asymmetrical-- this one especially so.
 
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I am not granted access this section. I found his handle in 1950 tula sks, March 27 2015 10:26 P.M. This forum was not about his 50, but he replied to it. If someone with access could contact him, it would be appreciated.
 
jstin said:
I am not granted access this section. I found his handle in 1950 tula sks, March 27 2015 10:26 P.M. This forum was not about his 50, but he replied to it. If someone with access could contact him, it would be appreciated.
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Go back to his reply. Underneath his avatar there should be a Dialog thumbnail for PMs and sometimes an Envelope thumbnail for direct emails.
 
There is no avatar or any way to contact him. When hitting sksnut (profile), I get - you are not allowed to access this section. Possibly, not enough posts to be granted access? Also Boris could you put the picture that you have of the blown up S/Ns of receiver and cover together? Thanks. On Survivors forum I asked that if he read my post to reply. Also I noticed that when I got my daughter to take pictures, I didn't take one of the S/N on trigger. Will remedy this next week. There is one on the pictures that I took but will get better quality picture.
 
Tried and still no access. Went to membership and tried access, no go. I tried your profile on that page and no access, but on this page, I can see your profile and message. Not sure what is going on. Could you possibly contact him?
 
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