1982 Pattern Webbing

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The Wizard

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Being south of the 49th Parallel it is sometimes difficult to obtain foreign equipment. I am trying to complete a battle order set of 1982 pattern webbing to go long with my replica C1A1 rifle. Actually, I have the major components but I looking for a few items to complete the set. I am looking for the combat shovel and its carrier; carrier, kfs-C5 knife and the knife fork and spoon set that goes into it; an actual Canadian canteen (water bottle) and cup (current I am using a US marked canteen and cup). I would like to knew if these item are readily available on the Canadian market and suggestions where one might purchase them.
 
The Wizard said:
Being south of the 49th Parallel it is sometimes difficult to obtain foreign equipment. I am trying to complete a battle order set of 1982 pattern webbing to go long with my replica C1A1 rifle. Actually, I have the major components but I looking for a few items to complete the set. I am looking for the combat shovel and its carrier; carrier, kfs-C5 knife and the knife fork and spoon set that goes into it; an actual Canadian canteen (water bottle) and cup (current I am using a US marked canteen and cup). I would like to knew if these item are readily available on the Canadian market and suggestions where one might purchase them.
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Forget about the shovel and carrier. The checklist and manual show them, but no one bothered. Too short and too hard to actually use. Better to have the Sergeant Major get proper digging tools forward to the troops when digging in.

The KFS is a good set.

The C5 is guaranteed to break your thumb nail. I never bothered once the troops started being issued Gerber multitools, c.mid 1990s in Bosnia.

There never was a Canadian marked water bottle - always had US ones. The trick is the make sure yours has the respirator drinking tube compatible cap.

Canteen cup - no differences in my experience. Single flat strap handle or two-wire folding handle, either one. But, the Cool Kids Club had the stainless ones with the hexamine cooker stove wrapped around the outside.

The combined carrier
 
He is right - canteens were all US issue. Canada even adopted the 2 quart one. Some guys used the 2 quart canteen strap for the C9 as the issued sling was narrow and uncomfortable on longer patrols. That folding shovel was too awkward, heavy and limited in its usefulness. As mentioned, shown in the book but rarely seen. KFS was good and there were a few types floating around. The KFS holder also had a pouch for the galaxy knife. I didnt mind the C5, but the later Gerber was cooler. A piece of paracord kept the C5 attached to your webbing while bush bashing. The problem with KFS now is that there is nothing to eat on anymore when it was discovered that Melmac was bad for people.
 
I had a set for C1A1, but I sold it. I have to go through my doubles. I was trying to build a C1, C2, C1 SMG, C7 with 1 Gen mag pouches, C7 2 Gen Mag pouches and C9. I gave up because I couldn't find enough new belts and yokes. Just did a C7 set. Everything I have is new.
 
Haha! The Melmac plate.They reproduce, don't you know...

Carry the Melmac plate in your buttpack and you end up with two melmac plates! Useless POK... everyone I knew carried a Frisbee...
 
It was junk when issued and is junk now... still have mine kicking around somewhere, along with my tac-vest which also doesn't get used.

I'm sure it will look good on display!

We should have taken a lesson from the Brits on how to make proper web gear, now that's decent stuff.
 
Melmac wasn’t bad for people, it was deemed that the end users couldn’t get them clean enough to be healthy/sterile. Therefore, they stopped the issuance of the plates and cups, then switched to paper/plastic
 
Old Albertan said:
He is right - canteens were all US issue. Canada even adopted the 2 quart one. Some guys used the 2 quart canteen strap for the C9 as the issued sling was narrow and uncomfortable on longer patrols. That folding shovel was too awkward, heavy and limited in its usefulness. As mentioned, shown in the book but rarely seen. KFS was good and there were a few types floating around. The KFS holder also had a pouch for the galaxy knife. I didnt mind the C5, but the later Gerber was cooler. A piece of paracord kept the C5 attached to your webbing while bush bashing. The problem with KFS now is that there is nothing to eat on anymore when it was discovered that Melmac was bad for people.
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S**t, I still drink black coffee out of my Melmac mug when I can't find a coffee mug at work lol
 
Tyler said:
It was junk when issued and is junk now... still have mine kicking around somewhere, along with my tac-vest which also doesn't get used.

I'm sure it will look good on display!

We should have taken a lesson from the Brits on how to make proper web gear, now that's decent stuff.
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Say what you want about the webbing but at least it was modular.
ie you could move s**t around to suit you and your dominate hand etc
 
Travis Bickle said:
Say what you want about the webbing but at least it was modular.
ie you could move s**t around to suit you and your dominate hand etc
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That's true, but I had to hold mine together with bailing twine because everything kept popping off when we were moving about.

The Brit stuff had metal fasteners (not plastic) and it came with a padded lining.
 
As noted in my PM, I have a complete set of 64 Pattern webbing which is more appropriate for the FNC1. Also have a number of spare pieces and a Brand new unissued C2 Rucksack complete and my original 1981 issue Mitchell pattern helmet cover. Much of it was issued to me when I carried the C1 in the service. Not actively selling it's there.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Forget about the shovel and carrier. The checklist and manual show them, but no one bothered. Too short and too hard to actually use. Better to have the Sergeant Major get proper digging tools forward to the troops when digging in.

The KFS is a good set.

The C5 is guaranteed to break your thumb nail. I never bothered once the troops started being issued Gerber multitools, c.mid 1990s in Bosnia.

There never was a Canadian marked water bottle - always had US ones. The trick is the make sure yours has the respirator drinking tube compatible cap.

Canteen cup - no differences in my experience. Single flat strap handle or two-wire folding handle, either one. But, the Cool Kids Club had the stainless ones with the hexamine cooker stove wrapped around the outside.

The combined carrier
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Hexy stoves for the win. Pretty sure I have multiples of all of the subject items in a barracks box somewhere in my basement. Except the shovel. Might have missed the window but the only entrenching tool style shovel I have been issued was a local unit purchase (after the Snack Vest came into service), came without a carrying case, and hasn't left my trunk since the day I got it.
 
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