1st Generation Rob Arms XCR-M in .308. Yay or Nay?

LordEvilPepper said:
having owned all of those rifles except the Fnar and the ATRS...


BS... XCR beats them all hands down except the M1A and by M1A I mean a match grade LRB M25

Kel Tec (gen 1) was a lead thrower not a precision shooter, jam oh matic with a finicky gas system. buddy had it for a couple months... then I had it for a month hated it with a burning passion, I spent more time unjamming it then I did firing rounds. Finally got it running correctly and sold it.

Famae 542 was a nice looking good feeling gun... then you shot it... with most factory ammo its like a 3-6 moa gun, with MFSmine was like 8-12 moa and there isn't aftermarket fixes like other guns to shrink that group. Kicks like a mule and will bruise your face if you have a good cheek weld on the solid stock.

M305.... I don't feel like writing up a good rant on it today... but lets just say it could be a $500 good shooter, or it could be a $2500 nightmare to make it an ok shooter... roll them dice... but if you want to make one a precision rig, just buy LRB and save yourself the time and tom ####ery. it ends up being about the same price anyways (if you order from LRB and use profit river arms to import) and the LRB is much nicer fit and finish, has a warrenty and can be legally brought into the states to shoot/hunt.



My XCR-m im loving it... it shoots decently with factory ammo I can't wait to reload for it.

That barrel retaining screw works fine... if it is torqued to the proper inch/lb setting not more not less. under torqued it gets loose, over torqued can damage it, and apparently ####s with the harmonics by putting stresses across the barrel and receiver.
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Which generation of XCR-M do you own that you're speaking very highly of?

How much do LRB's generally sell for? I was considering getting a real Springfield M14 at one point but decided against it. Apparently there are M305 clinics around, do you have any idea who does them and how I could find information about when and where they're being offered?

Thanks for your response by the way, it very informative
 
I picked up a used xcr-m in 308. An early model I believe, it did come with a FAST stock, which really was a POS stock. The new ASC 5 round mags it came with had to be modified to ensure last round hold open. P mag 5/20 worked very well. Using brass factory ammunition I had numerous failure to extract, gas variance did nothing. Turns out mine had a very tight headspace and would not close on a 308W go gauge, eventual fix was to replace barrel retaining capscrew and then torque to specifications. As the barrel was SS I was able to recut chamber 308W to just close on a 308 win go gauge. Please dont anyone flame me for thinking 308WIN and 762 nato are the same. They are not, I get it, i reload 308WIN......period.
So bottom line, for me only, a high priced firearm that was only moderately accurate. Anothers experience may be different. I think mine was built on a Friday long w/e afternoon, really close to quitin time
 
If you buy a LRB M25 match with the medium weight Krieger SS USMC barrel, Rear lugged receiver, NM everything, unitized gas system, glass bedded boyds stock.... I paid about $4000 CAD

you want a M25 match grade with med weight barrel, $3100 USD (buddy has it a dream gun to shoot)
Basic M25 $2700 ish
Entry level M1A $2100 from LRB

about $300 to import through profit river arms (site supporter)


I have a gen 2 XCR-m with RIS not key mod




Tactical teacher on this website is the big clinic guy, he knows his ####.

We disagree on a lot, primarily: he likes norcs... I ####ing despise them

after working on a lot with issues that should have never left the factory let alone made it across the counter of a gun store I have a huge distaste
but hey he makes them work and enjoys tinkering with them so power to him.

I just regard them as a "odds not in your favour" crap shoot even if you know what to look for when you buy one. the odds of getting a "good shooter" that will have tight groups, not develope issues, not have broken/ out of spec parts and not require a lot of work and a lot of money.... not good. Especially if you plan to shoot it a lot.
the more you fire it the more #### bangs out and need to be fixed or replaced. for the price they go for, I personally feel that a gun should not have a head space that elongates 20 thousands of an inch after 200 rounds...
opinions vary on this... but after a couple of head space related kabooms that's mine. My last norc was a $2500 project to get it working safety and properly, there was like 3 norc parts left on it...
 
gord1986 said:
What exactly do you mean by that? It kinda sounds like you're saying both 1st and second gens are good, then go on to say the first gens were bad and that the second ones were far better?

thanks for your input, I'm getting a good idea of what to expect now!
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Both the XCR-M and the RFB had issues coming out of the gate, but the second gen rifles were far better for both....
Make sense?

If you like the balance and feel of a traditional rifle, the XCR-M probably won't disappoint...
 
The only one I own is a M305 (actually mine is old enough it says Norinco M14...) which shoots like a dream, but I have a wicked gun-doc for a Father-in-Law.

That said, I have some experience with 7.62mm "battle rifles", going back to carrying one for the Queen.

The XCR-Ms I've handled and shot were fairly accurate and had no problems, but were VERY front heavy. I didn't like the balance of them at all.

I also didn't like the Keltec RFB, but I'm not a fan of the "Keltechy" plastic construction of ANY of their firearms. Maybe just a preference thing.

The FAMAE was "okay", but left me wanting more... The fit and finish isn't great, and it just seems cheaply made. Too bad the big brothers of our 5.56mm Swiss Arms aren't around...

I've only handled but not shot the ATRS Modern Hunter. I was VERY impressed by the workmanship, and the range reports are all glowing. That said, you'll likely need to save a few more ducats to buy one. Than again, if you can afford to shoot 7.62x51 on a regular basis you may be able to afford one!!!
 
Thanks for all the responses everyone. It's kinda hard to get an accurate expectation for the first generation though. Does anyone actually own or have experience with the first generation models of this rifle? If so do you think it's worth buying one used?
 
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I have a early model xcr 308 in the tan finish mine shoots great.I have only used good hunting ammo in mine,I used it a little this hunting season it shoot accurately enough that you could take a deer out to 400 yards.It is a quality built gun worth the money they ask for them.the only down fall is that it is heavy but then again it shoots like a 243 for recoil
 
I had one of the gen 1 xcr-m's.
Only good thing I can say about it was that it was soft shooting, and not picky on ammo.
Accuracy wise, it exhibited a lot of vertical stringing. Like 4 inches at 100 yards over a five round group.
It was front heavy. The stock fell apart. The tolerances were loose on everything. Screws worked their way out of it regularly.
It's only the equal of a norinco m305.
The fnar is a much nicer and more accurate rifle. The best option for a nr 308 semi by far.
With the rfb, at least you get the same dubious accuracy in a more compact package.
A restricted 308 ar like the g2 dpms makes them all laughable...
 
ntm said:
I had one of the gen 1 xcr-m's.
Only good thing I can say about it was that it was soft shooting, and not picky on ammo.
Accuracy wise, it exhibited a lot of vertical stringing. Like 4 inches at 100 yards over a five round group.
It was front heavy. The stock fell apart. The tolerances were loose on everything. Screws worked their way out of it regularly.
It's only the equal of a norinco m305.
The fnar is a much nicer and more accurate rifle. The best option for a nr 308 semi by far.
With the rfb, at least you get the same dubious accuracy in a more compact package.
A restricted 308 ar like the g2 dpms makes them all laughable...
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I had about the same $$$ amount invested in my LMT MWS-308 with almost identical optics, as I did with my XCR-M.... No comparison whatsoever, the LMT wins on every count..... except for the sad fact that I only got to shoot my LMT past 200m on only a few occasions...
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I have a gen 1 XCR-M, the accuracy is so so but it depends on what you're planning on using it for. It's very reliable but you do have to make sure the barrel screw is tightened properly. It was really front heavy with poor balance. I replaced the heavy barrel quad rail upper with a keymod upper and light barrel. It was expensive but the balance and handling is much much better. Feels like a totally different rifle.

The modern hunter is more expensive and more well balanced. The accuracy is better but it's not much of an improvement. I don't know if I got a bad modern hunter or a good xcr or some combination of. The reliability is a lot worse than the XCR. I find even with factory ammo it will jam occasionally.
 
Which production run do you own?

Dr. Hunter said:
I have a gen 1 XCR-M, the accuracy is so so but it depends on what you're planning on using it for. It's very reliable but you do have to make sure the barrel screw is tightened properly. It was really front heavy with poor balance. I replaced the heavy barrel quad rail upper with a keymod upper and light barrel. It was expensive but the balance and handling is much much better. Feels like a totally different rifle.

The modern hunter is more expensive and more well balanced. The accuracy is better but it's not much of an improvement. I don't know if I got a bad modern hunter or a good xcr or some combination of. The reliability is a lot worse than the XCR. I find even with factory ammo it will jam occasionally.
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